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Lately I have been very interested in 2 new guns. A Sig Sauer P229 and a M1A Socom.
I have a rather large gun collection, mostly hunting rifles, shotguns, cowboy action pistols and my CCs.
I carry a S&W M&P 40 right now and have been thinking about trading it or just buying a P229, I will never have a use for one more gun and it will probably go over with the wife easier if I "trade one in". :roll: for another. I have read on here that some people find the P229 a little large for a CCW but isn't it about the same size as a M&P?
As for the M1A, I am thinking about getting rid of one of my DMPS AR15's. Does anyone have any good reviews on these? I plan on using it for hog hunting and general shooting. I will put a red dot sight on it and maybe a magnifier. Any other manufactures of quality M1A's other than Springfield? Google pops up a few but they don't look as nice.
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I do not own an M1A but have shot one on several occasions. As I assume you know the M1A packs the more potent .308 round or 7.62 X 51. The AR is a better gun for close quarter combat in my opinion mainly because of the lack of recoil and the rounds are cheap to shoot as far as rifle rounds go. The M1A is a whole different ball game. Those SOCOM’s are so nice!!! We all know the reasons why the M14 was phased out as the main combat weapon for our troops in the 60s and still survives today as a med range sniper weapon for our armed forces but I think they should have kept it as the main weapon for our troops. Other rifles are the FAL and ar10 that pack the bigger .308 round. The AR10 is cheaper then the Springfield and many prefer the FAL. The M1A is the Colt .45 of rifles and if I could afford one I would add it to my collection. I am sure others will have more to mention. As for CCW the smallest or most concealable gun I have seen that carries 9mm and larger rounds is the Kahr models. Makes my Glock 27 seem huge.
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Buy the Sig p229. I have two of them - one in .9mm and the other in .40 S&W. They're both tack drivers right out of the box and are simple to disassemble / reassemble for maintenance. Mine will shoot any ammo you feed it without any problems and performs double duty as the night stand gun.

I have only CCed my Sig while wearing a jacket or wearing it around the house using a OWB, a Galco Fletch holster, so I can't give you much opinions on that esp since I normally CC a glock-30 IWB (Ok, I'm too lazy to change the shell on my Ctac to fit the p229 but I will get around to doing that soon).

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The P229 is concealable. I can carry mine IWB no problem. However I carry a Glock 33 much more often because it is lighter. The P229/357Sig is heavy enough to be very noticable to me. I shoot the P229 better. If you get a P229, buy a 40 S&W or a 357Sig you can interchange barrels and even get an after market 9mm conversion barrel and the magazines will handle all 3 calibers. I carry the 357Sig but I practice with the less expensive 9mm or 40S&W.

I've been looking at the M&P compact 357Sig myself to replace the Glock. Glock, Sig, M&P, HK, all good, about the only thing I can say is there are differences. Everyone seems to have an opinion as to which is "The Best". If you don't have a Sig you probably need one. If you want something different from your M&P, look at a Sig P239 it's a single stack design, smaller and lighter than a P229.

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If you buy the Sig consider waiting until you can get a look at the newest edition in their 229 line, unfortunately it is only available in 9mm at the moment. You will probably see something about the new e2 models coming out of the shot show. The new variants have a short reset trigger (SRT) that reduces trigger reset by over 50%, it also features a "reduced reach" trigger that should make shooting it a bit easier, The decocking leaver has been redesigned and when combined with an optional slide catch lever will reduce the gun's profile significantly. It also features a new one piece modular grip that securely snaps onto the gun eliminating the need for screws to secure it. I don't recall where I got this info from and I can't find it again but I am waiting until after the shot show before making any decisions on buying new guns.
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Mhoward wrote:As for the M1A, I am thinking about getting rid of one of my DMPS AR15's. Does anyone have any good reviews on these? I plan on using it for hog hunting and general shooting. I will put a red dot sight on it and maybe a magnifier. Any other manufactures of quality M1A's other than Springfield? Google pops up a few but they don't look as nice.
I have a Springfield M1A Loaded, and it is turning into one of my two favorite rifles - the other being a heavy barreled Remington 700 in .308. I have a Super Sniper 10x42HD fixed power scope mounted on the M1A, using a Sadlak aluminum scope mount.

Accuracy and Bullet Choice:
The M1A has an 11:1 twist, and mine seems to prefer bullets in the 165-168 grain range. I gave my son an M1A Loaded for Christmas, and his seems to prefer bullets in the 150 grain range. Last Saturday, I tried some 175 grain Lake City sniper ammo in it, and it did not shoot it well. That same load shoots very well in my Remington which has a 10:1 twist, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that M1As as a breed probably don't like the heavier .308 loads.

In addition to the Lake City ammo, I've tried the following cartridges through mine: Hornady Match 168 gr. HPBT, Black Hills Gold Match 168 gr. A-Max, Federal Fusion 165 gr. White Tail ammo, Federal Power-Shok 150 gr. SP. All were tested at 100 yards. Both of the Match loads performed pretty well, although not quite as surgically as in my Remington. Best group was in the .5" range, but it was not repeatable with any reliability. Average was more like .75"-1". The 150 gr. Power-Shoks shot into 1.5"-2" groups. But the Federal Fusion 165 gr. cartridges performed with consistency shooting 1" groups, so I think that is the hunting load I'll use.

Function and Reliability:
On the day I was breaking the rifle in, I had one failure to extract, which resulted in a double feed which drove the second bullet deep into its case, ruining it. It was a Black Hills Gold Match 168 gr. A-Max. I dropped the magazine, removed the second round by hand, released the bolt forward and let the extractor pick up the spent case. It ejected without further complication and fed the next round cleanly. That is the only malfunction I've experienced with this rifle.

On the reliability side, there has been one significant issue... Somewhere toward the end of the first 100 rounds fired through the rifle, one of the two hammer hooks broke off (DETAILS HERE). The rifle would still function with the one hook, but I did not deem it safe to continue using it. The OEM hammer (as are many of the other parts) is MIM. The problem was discovered just before Christmas, and they were already closed for the holiday, but I placed a phone call to Springfield Armory's customer service department on 12/28 when they reopened, and I told them that I have an upcoming hog hunt (I do) for which I intended to bring this rifle. They gave me a FedEx return ticket and an RMA# that day and told me to pull the trigger group and send it to them. I asked them to make sure that the new hammer was a forged unit and not a MIM part. They said no problem. I sent it that day. They called me two days later and told me they would have it back to me by 1/8, in time for my hunt. I actually received the repaired part on 1/5. I can't say enough about their Customer Service department. They were superb.

Other than that, the rifle has been 100% reliable. The trigger is a match tuned military trigger with a 2 stage let off that breaks cleanly right at 4.5 lbs. The ergonomics are very good, and the rifle just "feels right." I'm headed out in the next week or two to knock the snot out of some hogs with it. I was invited just yesterday to go on a day long deer hunt tomorrow, which I unfortunately cannot make, but if I could, I would have brought the M1A along and a box of the Federal Fusion 165 gr. cartridges.

The M1A is just an absolute blast to shoot. There is something to be said for being able to absolutely flog a target at will out to 800 meters. If you can see it, you can shoot it. When you hit a steel plate at 200 yards with it, you are rewarded with a dramatic CLANG!! as the bullet tries to rip the plate clean off its chains — unlike an AR15, which gives you a little Ping! and barely moves the metal. Recoil is minimal for the cartridge. Yes, it is somewhat heavy (9.5 lbs without the scope mounted), but it points naturally and is relatively "handy" for a full-sized battle rifle. It's a keeper, and if you are still looking at buying a rifle in that class, you'll be happy with an M1A. I have more about mine, with lots of pictures, posted HERE.

I hope this helps you make up your mind. In case it didn't, here's a little eye candy. :evil2:
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Wow. I just drooled on my keyboard... Very nice rife.
I usually use a Remington 700 25-06 for hunting but 25-06 shells are getting hard to find and very expensive if I do.
I think I might wait till the new P229 comes out, those features sound like something worth waiting for, and in the meantime I can sell my AR.
Thanks for all the info on both guns, this site is great.
I carry my MP40 IWB at the 3'oclock position all the time, only time the size bothers me is when my pants are fresh out of the dryer but after 30-45 minutes of wearing them it isn't tight anymore.
When I first got my MP40 I took it to the range and put about 100 rounds through it. The next time I went out I couldn't hit a 3" target from 10 feet away. A quick call to Smith and Wesson got me a new barrel. Shoots great now.
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Yeah, I am known for my dumb jokes. My wife and I have a bun in the oven right now so when I saw it I had to put it up.
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Mhoward wrote:Yeah, I am known for my dumb jokes. My wife and I have a bun in the oven right now so when I saw it I had to put it up.
FINALLY! Someone who appreciates dumb jokes besides USA1, SIA, myself and a host of others! :biggrinjester:

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