City of Frisco has a Gun Registery when registering alarms

[tiger1873]

Just noticed this when I had to fill out an alarm permit. pasted below is the copy of the permit. On it they ask if there is Guns on the premises. Is this even legal?

http://www.ci.frisco.tx.us/aboutus/Docu ... cation.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Keith B]

Sure, they can ask anything they want. It is just not illegal to not answer. I would answer it though. It would say 'Nunna U Bidness'.

[Sewer_Ice]

Maybe its so if the alarm goes off, officers responding know that the owner is armed, so if they see some guy in a ski mask, and another guy without a ski mask with a gun pointed at the other guy... not to shoot. No real idea.

[marksiwel]

Call the Police and ask them. If they say yes you have to fill it out truthfully, your next call should be to your Lawyer and the NRA

[flb_78]

Then don't install an alarm.

It's not gun registration. They're not asking for makes, models and serial numbers. They just want to know that when they show up, that if someone is carrying a gun, it may be the homeowner.

[A-R]

Then don't install an alarm.

It's not gun registration. They're not asking for makes, models and serial numbers. They just want to know that when they show up, that if someone is carrying a gun, it may be the homeowner.

No offense, flb. I understand your point about why they would ask. But I simply HATE that type of response in your first sentence. Why should anyone be prohibited by THEIR government from lawfully installing a burglar alarm simply because THEIR government decides to ask questions that may be a) inappropriate or b) illegal.

I agree that the easy thing to do is just to put a simple Y (yes) or N (no) and turn in the paperwork. They don't seem to be asking for more than that. That's probably what I would do.

But I fail to see how the municipal government has the authority to ask such questions in order to grant an alarm permit. And I completely disagree with the "our way or the highway" mentality of your first sentence.

The OP should not be prohibted by his government from proceeding with a lawful act simply because he refuses to answer questions that he is not compeled by law to answer.

But again, my advice to OP is just to mark "Y" and turn in the paperwork. If they ask for more, then start rallying the troops so to speak and bring in the lawyers and NRA.

[flb_78]

If the alarm is to be monitored by the police, then one has to play by their rules.

This is kinda like people who move into an HOA neighborhood and then complain about the HOA rules.

The police probably want to know that if the alarm goes off and they respond, that the homeowner may be checking the house out while carrying a gun. It would be mighty inconvenient for the police and the homeowner if the police taze or shoot someone who comes around a corner of the house while carrying a gun.

[jimlongley]

If the alarm is to be monitored by the police, then one has to play by their rules.

This is kinda like people who move into an HOA neighborhood and then complain about the HOA rules.

The police probably want to know that if the alarm goes off and they respond, that the homeowner may be checking the house out while carrying a gun. It would be mighty inconvenient for the police and the homeowner if the police taze or shoot someone who comes around a corner of the house while carrying a gun.

A) If you have a CHL, the police probably already have at least an idea that there are guns on the premises.

B) You could obfuscate and say that on the day, at the time, you were filling out the form, there were no guns there, but conditions changed.

C) With very few exceptions, the police do not monitor alarms. These rules have been put in place in an attempt to cut down on dispatches to false alarms.

We had a neighbor in Plano who traveled on business, and who had false alarms daily when he was away. After the Plano Police Department charged him lots of money, and the neighbors got up in arms about the outside siren going off all the time, he finally fixed his system.

When he was home his dog was there, but he boarded the dog when he was away. When he was home he left off the zones the dog was in, but turned them on when he was away. The zones the dog lived in had an improperly placed motion detector in the garage that was falsing on motion outside a window eight feet from a sidewalk. Covering the window eliminated the fines.

[KD5NRH]

Interesting that they ask about dogs, but not any other animals. Guess they don't care if you have a lion, three bobcats, a cobra, and some wolverines inside the piranha-filled moat, as long as you tell them about your chihuahua.

Put yes for guns, then notify them in writing twice a day of the changes as your carry gun leaves and returns

Don't forget the additional daily notice as the date changes from the one on the form.

[marksiwel]

Interesting that they ask about dogs, but not any other animals. Guess they don't care if you have a lion, three bobcats, a cobra, and some wolverines inside the piranha-filled moat, as long as you tell them about your chihuahua.

Put yes for guns, then notify them in writing twice a day of the changes as your carry gun leaves and returns

Don't forget the additional daily notice as the date changes from the one on the form.

They dont tend to shoot cats, just dogs
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/08/ ... dead-dogs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Heck these cops shot the Mayors dog!

[ninemm]

...C) With very few exceptions, the police do not monitor alarms. ...

My alarm monitoring is $24.99/month. If some form of government was doing it, it would likely cost several times that amount. And you probably wouldn't get a phone call within 60 seconds of every alarm (I test mine occasionally - which they tell you to do - just to see.)

[Keith B]

...C) With very few exceptions, the police do not monitor alarms. ...

My alarm monitoring is $24.99/month. If some form of government was doing it, it would likely cost several times that amount. And you probably wouldn't get a phone call within 60 seconds of every alarm (I test mine occasionally - which they tell you to do - just to see.)

The police do not monitor the alarms, but are called when they get an alarm and there is no response to an 'all clear' from the homeowner. Plano, Frisco and others require a yearly fee for a permit to have the alarm.

My guess is they are really not concerned about the homeowner having a gun, but the potential for a BG that has broken in to find guns and then try to use them on the responding officer(s).

[bdickens]

"Are there any guns on the premises?"

"This is Texas. What do you think?"

[Excaliber]

I don't buy the idea that the police need to know because either they could find an armed homeowner or a burglar armed with the contents of the home. Regardless of how the question is answered, on any given call an armed person they encounter on the premises may be the homeowner, a guest, a neighbor, or a burglar. The alarm permit info doesn't help there. Only investigation will determine the facts.

Consider this also: If you answered truthfully "no" and later purchased a gun, would you run down to the PD and edit your alarm permit data?

If the alarm permit is a public record, and I would expect it is, that question should be removed because the information it gathers could easily be misused by either burglars or reporters writing anti 2A material.

If a polite approach to your elected council folks didn't resolve the issue, I think a call to the TSRA and the NRA would be in order.

[Big Tuna]

You also can't go on vacation, or travel for work, unless there's someone else within 30 minutes of your house who has the alarm codes. Or if your commute is more than 30 minutes.

I think it's better to have an alarm that notifies me. Add some external cameras that I can view over the internet if an alarm comes when I'm at work. I can call the police if I need to.