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Ideology to Die For

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http://townhall.com/columnists/MikeAdam ... ments=true

It is a truism to say that there are many anti-gun ideologues among our educational elites. But few are as honest as Doug Van Gorder – a math teacher at Brockton High School. He admits that he would rather lose a child than exercise his right to defend himself with a gun. In the wake of a recent school shooting, he wrote this in a Letter to the Editor of the Boston Globe:
Some propose overturning laws that made schools gun-free zones even for teachers who may be licensed to securely carry concealed firearms elsewhere. They argue that barring licensed-carry only ensures a defenseless, target-rich environment.

But as a progressive, I would sooner lay my child to rest than succumb to the belief that the use of a gun for self-defense is somehow not in itself a gun crime.
Morally speaking, I have no problem with anti-gun ideologues who wish to place themselves in peril by waiving their rights of self-defense. You almost have to respect someone who is willing to die for his beliefs. But when he decides that others should also die for his beliefs the real trouble begins.

There are actually a lot of Doug Van Gorders in the world. In fact, there are whole organizations of them. The Brady Campaign for Gun Control is the first that comes to mind.

The Brady Campaign for Gun Control provides a scorecard on how states are doing in regard to gun control legislation. If you don’t have enough gun control laws you get a low score from the Brady bunch. For example, West Virginia receives a score of 4 out of a possible 100. Utah actually scores zero.

Right now, there is a post by a blogger named Don Surber circulating widely around the internet. Don has cleverly compared the homicide rates in some of the states getting low Brady scores with states getting high Brady scores. Consider the following comparison:

*Utah, the state with a zero rating, has only 1.5 homicides per 100,000 citizens. Less than half of those homicides are firearm related.

*California scores the highest according to the Brady report with a whopping 79. But they have 5.83 murders per 100,000, which is a rate nearly four times higher than Utah. Over 2/3 of the homicides in California are firearms related.

I can just hear liberals saying “People in Utah don’t need guns. There’s hardly any murder in their state.” Few probably make the connection between lawful gun ownership and low crime rates. Remember, these are the people who, in the 1990s, said that “despite the low crime rate, prison populations are higher than ever.” Back then they just could not connect the dots and figure out that crime was down because the criminals were locked up.

It all goes back to ideology. Liberals refuse to believe in deterrence theory because to do so admits to the fallen nature of man. To them, man is inherently good, not evil. Moreover, he is perfectible. The liberal is willing to die to preserve his vision of himself and others. And he wants you to die for his vision, too.

Don Surber’s comparison is clever but not dispositive. The data he examines is cross-sectional so its use is limited. What we really want to see is what happens after the laws the Brady Campaign opposes are actually put in effect.

Fortunately, we know the answer when it comes to concealed carry laws. Sixteen peer-reviewed studies show that allowing citizens to lawfully carry reduces violent crime rates. Ten peer-reviewed studies are inconclusive. But there are, to date, no peer-reviewed studies reaching the opposite conclusion; namely that allowing citizens to lawfully carry increases violent crime rates.

Nonetheless, the Brady bunch continues to fight for laws that will cause themselves and others to remain helpless in the face of criminal assault. They would sooner lay your child to rest than succumb to the belief that the use of a gun for self-defense is somehow not in itself a gun crime.

The anti-gun lobby must realize that law abiding citizens need guns in a society that cannot ensure that criminals will not have them. But even if guns could be kept from criminals they would find other means to kill. After all, passengers without guns have flown airplanes into buildings.

The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.
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I find Doug Van Gorder's position incomprehensible and morally disgusting. I have a hard time believing that there are people in the world that would not defend their child.
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I agree with you David 100% and I posted my disbelief on my Facebook page.
Who would not fight to save oneself? If he does not feel this is right, I guess he feel he needs to correct the gene pool and take himself or his children out of it. :thumbs2:
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I did a quick Google search of this guy's name and found the following other letters he has written:

The original Boston Globe letter:
Guns, teachers, and self-defense

I AM a math teacher at Brockton High School, the site of a school shooting earlier this month.

Current school security procedures lock down school populations in the event of armed assault. Some advocate abandoning this practice as it holds everyone in place, allowing a shooter easily to find victims.

An alternative to lockdown is immediate exodus via announcement. Although this removes potential hostages and makes it nearly impossible for the shooter to acquire preselected targets, it unfairly rewards resourceful children who move to safety off-site more shrewdly and efficiently than others.

Schools should level playing fields, not intrinsically reward those more resourceful. A level barrel is fair to all fish.

Some propose overturning laws that made schools gun-free zones even for teachers who may be licensed to securely carry concealed firearms elsewhere. They argue that barring licensed-carry only ensures a defenseless, target-rich environment.

But as a progressive, I would sooner lay my child to rest than succumb to the belief that the use of a gun for self-defense is somehow not in itself a gun crime.

DOUG VAN GORDER
Quincy
A letter to Stars and Stripes after the Ft. Hood shooting (http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?sect ... icle=66163):
Keep diversity at all costs?
Stars and Stripes
Letters to the Editor, Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Immediately after the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, the Army’s top officer, Gen. George Casey, said, "As horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse."

The general is spot on.

There is no more precious national cause than the continued creation and veneration of diversity. Diversity trumps the safety and lives of our soldiers, ourselves and our children. The deaths of 13 brave men and women constitute a tragic loss, but we can take comfort in knowing that their lives were given in the name of protecting Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s right to remain a member in good standing of the American military.

It is entirely appropriate that the Army never acted upon suspicions raised by Hasan’s earlier, perhaps troubling to some, behavior. It is appropriate because — and we must continually restate this as almost a mantra until progressivism sets our collective heart in the right place — he is an American whose very presence completes our national identity. And although we deplore the acts of violence Hasan allegedly committed, we deeply cherish his contribution to America’s diversity.

Doug Van Gorder
Quincy, Mass.
An opinion article he wrote on some website (http://www.wickedlocal.com/quincy/news/ ... hoard-them):

YOUR OPINION: Better to spread rights than to hoard them

The Patriot Ledger
Posted Dec 21, 2009 @ 05:00 AM
QUINCY —

Trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in civilian court signals America both strives for global approval and recognizes equality among all citizens of the world.

Should evidence from waterboarding be excluded at trial, some fear the accused may be found not guilty and freed to commit further attacks.

But threat of attack is much diminished now due to America’s increased global approval, approval that is a virtual security blanket President Obama has knitted from hope, change and powerful supplications before the world.

Should evidence from waterboarding not be excluded – admittedly setting a precedent permitting torture of citizens too – it will be worth the loss of our protections from such tactics in order to redistribute our rights to all humanity.

Better to spread rights, slightly thinned, than to hoard them even for our own children. Thankfully, our president values global equality, underscored each time he rightfully bows before world leaders in symbolic atonement for our disproportionate quality of life.

DOUG VAN GORDER

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After reading these, I'm more inclined to think he's writing parody. At least, I hope so. I can't believe anyone would actually think this way.
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But as a progressive, I would sooner lay my child to rest than succumb to the belief that the use of a gun for self-defense is somehow not in itself a gun crime.

Standing by and and letting someone take the life of your child, a loved one, a member of your family, is a progressive idea that I'm obviously not intelligent enough to understand.

And, to make it worse, he is not willing to sacrifice his own life, but he is willing to sacrifice the life of someone he supposedly loves.

Almost seems cowardly if you spin it.

I am willing for you to give your life for my beliefs.
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Satire.
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bdickens wrote:Satire.
Its possible. At least one of the blogs (http://granitegrok.com/blog/2009/12/mud ... d_con.html thinks its possible. I'm not so sure.
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But as a progressive, I would sooner lay your child to rest than succumb to the belief that the use of a gun for self-defense is somehow not in itself a gun crime.
Fixed that for you.
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It's like shooting fish in a barrel, but
a level barrel is fair to all fish.
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Antigun people should decline police protection or insist on disarmed police. It's for the children!
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I believe Van Gorder is writing satire. The problem with his parody is that no matter how outrageous it sounds, it is actually shared by too many people to be obvious that he's making fun of them.
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chabouk wrote:I believe Van Gorder is writing satire. The problem with his parody is that no matter how outrageous it sounds, it is actually shared by too many people to be obvious that he's making fun of them.
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It's either satire or this dude is one sick puppy, because I would for sure either stop or die trying to stop harm from befalling one of my family or someone else's innocent child.

Sorry Brady Bunch but some of us were raised to realize that on occasion you have to put a mad dog down when he threatens the safety of an innocent.
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I wonder... Does this guy even HAVE any children? :???:
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Like others I would hope this is satire but you never can tell these days.

I have people that disagree with carry at church. I teach a youth bible study at my church and feel while they are with me I am responsible for trying to keep them safe. I have known these kids long enough to care about each one of them even though they are not mine. I feel 1 Timothy 5:8 applies to them as the are part of my Christian family. I think providing for protection is part of providing for ones family.




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