I work on a Higher Ed campus and this has crossed my mind a couple times and was wondering what ya'll thought about it.
I DO NOT live on campus so this doesn't actually affect me, just curious.
how does the "no guns at school" rule apply to housing?
At my school there are Married Student Housing apartments. These apartments are for students who are married (interesting concept huh?) and are owned by the school. Students pay rent to live here. how do the rules apply to this? its their home so they should be able to carry there, but its owned by the school?
on a similar but slightly different topic, how would the rules apply to dormitories?
Just a thought that crosse my mind. Thanks for the input.
Live on campus?
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IMO, college campuses can be some of the most dangerous places, primarily b/c few students are capable of defending themselves. Worse, they have ALL been disempowered by their own governement from defending themselves.
Rapes happen on college campuses every year. Although many are date rapes, where a gun would have not likely helped, some were the kidnap or ambush variety.
Rapes happen on college campuses every year. Although many are date rapes, where a gun would have not likely helped, some were the kidnap or ambush variety.
"If a man breaks in your house, he ain't there for iced tea." Mom & Dad.
The NRA & TSRA are a bargain; they're much cheaper than the cold, dead hands experience.
The NRA & TSRA are a bargain; they're much cheaper than the cold, dead hands experience.
Lots of colleges have their own 'rule' that also works against students who have a CHL. My son goes to such a college.
The state law concerning weapons applies to all buildings on a college campus, and that does include housing units if they are owned by the college and rent is paid to the college. While the state law does not include college parking lots, that's where the college 'rule' kicks in.... the college also prohibits guns in vehicles anywhere on the campus. Beinbg caught with a gun stored in a vehicle could lead to dismissal from the college.
It's a real hassle, but my son does his best to try and abide by the rule. He also works on a nearby military installation, and that is another BIG no-carry area. So, at school and at work, or the driving in between each, his CHL does him no good at all.
The state law concerning weapons applies to all buildings on a college campus, and that does include housing units if they are owned by the college and rent is paid to the college. While the state law does not include college parking lots, that's where the college 'rule' kicks in.... the college also prohibits guns in vehicles anywhere on the campus. Beinbg caught with a gun stored in a vehicle could lead to dismissal from the college.
It's a real hassle, but my son does his best to try and abide by the rule. He also works on a nearby military installation, and that is another BIG no-carry area. So, at school and at work, or the driving in between each, his CHL does him no good at all.
Greetings--
Waaayyyyy back when I was in college, I lived for a few semesters in the college owned housing. I wanted to bring my rifle and shotgun to go hunting. I was told by the campus PD that NO guns of any kind were allowed anywhere on campus-- period. I was also told that I could leave my rifle and shotgun with the PD and come check it out when I wanted to go hunting, but that they were in no form way or fashon responsible for them. Yeah right like Im going to leave $1000 worth of guns somewhere with a bunch of bubbas.....
PITA--
Soooo.... I'd have to smuggle mine in and out of the campus late at night, wrapped in a sleeping bag or similar.
My understanding of the CHL statues is none on campus facilities. This, combined with the campus' regulations about parking lots, property ect-- NOPE.
IMO, changing this to allow CHL carried handguns should be considered by the State and put into effect at State run campuses.
Waaayyyyy back when I was in college, I lived for a few semesters in the college owned housing. I wanted to bring my rifle and shotgun to go hunting. I was told by the campus PD that NO guns of any kind were allowed anywhere on campus-- period. I was also told that I could leave my rifle and shotgun with the PD and come check it out when I wanted to go hunting, but that they were in no form way or fashon responsible for them. Yeah right like Im going to leave $1000 worth of guns somewhere with a bunch of bubbas.....
PITA--
Soooo.... I'd have to smuggle mine in and out of the campus late at night, wrapped in a sleeping bag or similar.
My understanding of the CHL statues is none on campus facilities. This, combined with the campus' regulations about parking lots, property ect-- NOPE.
IMO, changing this to allow CHL carried handguns should be considered by the State and put into effect at State run campuses.
I think any campus of higher education should be open to CHL'ers, especially to the employees. While my employee handbook does not say anything about carrying weapons(one way or another) the schools themselves have ghostbuster signs on them and say "no guns".
I still carry my knife. I'd carry a gun there if I could.
I still carry my knife. I'd carry a gun there if I could.
I don't live on campus but I do work here. There are NO signs of any from on my campus. There's also nothing in the faculty/staff or student handbooks pertaining to weapons of any sort.
I know the Dean of Men and he has kept rifles etc for students in his Apt and retrieves them when they want to take them out.
I know at least 2 of the couples that live in Married student housing have multiple firearms. One of them is waiting on his CHL.
I never did live in on-campus housing so this issue never really affected me.
I know if I lived in married student housing I would keep them in the apt with me and not ask the administration.
When I come on campus for work I leave the gun in the car.
I know the Dean of Men and he has kept rifles etc for students in his Apt and retrieves them when they want to take them out.
I know at least 2 of the couples that live in Married student housing have multiple firearms. One of them is waiting on his CHL.
I never did live in on-campus housing so this issue never really affected me.
I know if I lived in married student housing I would keep them in the apt with me and not ask the administration.
When I come on campus for work I leave the gun in the car.
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AV8R
Our youngest daughter (of Granny Glock and myself) was fifteen when she left home for college this fall. She is well aware of the dangers of campus life. She takes the usual precautions, like not traveling alone, and carries a can of 5.3 million SU spray on her key lanyard, as well as having a large can in her dorm room. The campus police sergeant quoted a 911 response time on campus of 30 seconds, and that is perhaps the single greatest safety asset in place at her university, available to all. So far, she's only had a few "is that Mace?"-type questions, and she feels everything is going very well. The campus police offer a "personal safety" course which I'm hoping she'll consider when time permits.
She's only five years (now) away from her CHL, and will soon enter that awkward period where she'll have to make do with a 12ga cruiser for a car gun, until she's 21.
She's only five years (now) away from her CHL, and will soon enter that awkward period where she'll have to make do with a 12ga cruiser for a car gun, until she's 21.
Good job on bringing the daughter up. Was she home schooled to get into college at that age? Thank you & GG for your prayers.
LT
LT
Carry 24-7 or guess right.
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Actually, her "car gun" doesn't have to be a shotgun. The HB 823 amendment to PC 46.15 doesn't have an age requirement. Since 18 year olds can legally possess handguns in Texas, they can also do so under the "travelling" presumption.AV8R wrote:She's only five years (now) away from her CHL, and will soon enter that awkward period where she'll have to make do with a 12ga cruiser for a car gun, until she's 21.
SECTION 1. Section 46.15, Penal Code, is amended by adding Subsection (i) to read as follows:
(i) For purposes of Subsection (b)(3), a person is presumed to be traveling if the person is:
(1) in a private motor vehicle;
(2) not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic;
(3) not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a firearm;
(4) not a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01; and
(5) not carrying a handgun in plain view.
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AV8R
Thanks, as always, for your kind words. She has never been handicapped by having a victim's mentality. I'll PM you for a brief explanation.longtooth wrote:Good job on bringing the daughter up. Was she home schooled to get into college at that age? Thank you & GG for your prayers.
LT
Thanks for the suggestion. She is in the Dallas area, and I am hoping that the political climate for handgun posession there may be better as time passes. I do believe, though, that a five-foot, ninety-five-pound young lady with an 870 cruiser would make a rather unambiguous statement even to the most casual observer, as she does now with her Smith .38.KBCraig wrote:Actually, her "car gun" doesn't have to be a shotgun. The HB 823 amendment to PC 46.15 doesn't have an age requirement. Since 18 year olds can legally possess handguns in Texas, they can also do so under the "travelling" presumption.AV8R wrote:She's only five years (now) away from her CHL, and will soon enter that awkward period where she'll have to make do with a 12ga cruiser for a car gun, until she's 21.
SECTION 1. Section 46.15, Penal Code, is amended by adding Subsection (i) to read as follows:
(i) For purposes of Subsection (b)(3), a person is presumed to be traveling if the person is:
(1) in a private motor vehicle;
(2) not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic;
(3) not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a firearm;
(4) not a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01; and
(5) not carrying a handgun in plain view.
No doubt.AV8R wrote:I do believe, though, that a five-foot, ninety-five-pound young lady with an 870 cruiser would make a rather unambiguous statement even to the most casual observer, as she does now with her Smith .38.
That's a pretty dainty gal for a shorty 12 gauge. Unless she's already a shotgunner, you might want to go for the 20 instead.
Kevin
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AV8R
She likes big guns. What's a dad to do?KBCraig wrote:No doubt. :grin:AV8R wrote:I do believe, though, that a five-foot, ninety-five-pound young lady with an 870 cruiser would make a rather unambiguous statement even to the most casual observer, as she does now with her Smith .38.
That's a pretty dainty gal for a shorty 12 gauge. Unless she's already a shotgunner, you might want to go for the 20 instead.
Kevin