Trying to solve issue with how to carry in vehicle

[Lucky45]

I bought a car safe and have been using it since getting CHL and I have been trying to get familiar with carrying in public and resolving little issues I would face.
Been trying to look for the 30.06 signs in the different businesses. Kinda of difficult because it seems that they are trying to hide them. Found a sign last night in top left corner near cieling when you enter Applebee's on Hwy6 in Mo City. Talk about in your face. Couldn't read it either to see if it was a legal sign. I don't remember seeing " Pursuant to ........" etc, but it was in english and spanish. So i turned around, just happened to be wiping boots on mat.

Anyway, I have been having issues with how I should have my gun in my vehicles. My truck is not too much a problem because of height and tinted windows etc. Plus I may place it next to me or on floor at middle seat.
Problem is mostly with wife's car, high end German make, where only place I can keep it is under my legs while driving. I either have to keep the safe with lid open which not too good during day. Then I'm thinking about trying to access the gun if I had to. It is kinda difficult to reach around your legs and move around to open the lid etc.
So, I'm looking to see how everyone has solve their issues. I have seen the driving holster which attaches infront of you.

[KBCraig]

Been trying to look for the 30.06 signs in the different businesses. Kinda of difficult because it seems that they are trying to hide them. Found a sign last night in top left corner near cieling when you enter Applebee's on Hwy6 in Mo City. Talk about in your face. Couldn't read it either to see if it was a legal sign.

If you have to look for it, it's not a valid 30.06 notice. If you have trouble reading it, then it's not a valid 30.06 notice. When someone puts up a proper notice, it's A) unmistakable, and B) impossible to miss.

Kevin

[txinvestigator]

[quote="KBCraig

If you have to look for it, it's not a valid 30.06 notice. If you have trouble reading it, then it's not a valid 30.06 notice. When someone puts up a proper notice, it's A) unmistakable, and B) impossible to miss.

Kevin[/quote]

Do you have a legal precedent to support that?

You don't because there is none.


The law DOES say the sign must be conspicuous, but your A and B have yet to be established by case law.

[KBCraig]

The law DOES say the sign must be conspicuous, but your A and B have yet to be established by case law.

My points are pretty much the definition of "conspicuous".

You're correct that I have no legal precedents supporting that. I know of no legal precedents to the contrary, either. If a CHL has been convicted of 30.06 trespass based on an inconspicuous sign, I think we'd have heard about it.

Back to Lucky45's post... I suspect that he saw the TABC "unlicensed possession" notice, which is in both English and Spanish. A valid 30.06 notice is unmistakeable. (I wouldn't quibble that a sign is invalid because it left out or mis-spelled a word, or the letters are 7/8ths of an inch.)

Kevin

[isa268]

1" high letters make for a BIG sign. the whole sign should be about 3ft tall.

i have yet to see a legal 30.06 anywhere but the court house which is already off limits.

[ghentry]

I would suggest something that would remain secure in the event of a collision (such as a holster on your body, or holster mounted to the car). Things sitting in the floorboard and passenger seat can go flying if you have to stomp on the brakes or get into a minor collision.

[Mithras61]

I would suggest something that would remain secure in the event of a collision (such as a holster on your body, or holster mounted to the car). Things sitting in the floorboard and passenger seat can go flying if you have to stomp on the brakes or get into a minor collision.

Try a Google search on seat holster. There are lots of alternatives and placements for them, ranging from just under your knees to on the side of the back of the seat. I know lots of folks prefer to keep the firearm on them in the car for this very reason (flying guns aren't fun or funny). If you find that you need to go somewhere that is posted 30.06 or is otherwise verbotten (like a school, f'rinstance), a nice under-the-seat or in-the-trunk lockbox can be used at that point (but you'll want to make sure it's secured to the vehicle). If you find that carrying while in your vehicle is too uncomfortable, though, a seat holster might be the solution.

[Lucky45]

Thanks Mithras61....

I looked and saw that Kingston car holster. That is the kind of thing I was looking for, because it is easy to access when mounted like that. Now, I would not have to reach down and try to open the lockbox without hitting my legs or the seat with the lid and grabbing my gun at a funny angle. Plus I have tried and it is awkward to draw from my waist when driving, so that is not an option. Also, don't too much like it next to me, don't want people looking in vehicle at lockbox.

[fm2]

Plus I have tried and it is awkward to draw from my waist when driving, so that is not an option.

Awkward yes, not an option...I dunno. The pistol should be secure in your holster, and you will have access it, should you have to exit the car in a hurry,ie...carjacking or forced attempt to put you into the trunk/van.

[pistolchamp]

I just slip my Kel-Tec 380 in the back pocket of my jeans and go on my way. I guess I've gotten used to it as I never seem to notice that I have it.

Easily dropped into the console or saddlebag if the situation warrants (rarely) I like my system. It takes only a moment to remove the slide it you want to disable it for the possiblity of theft. You can carry the slide with you... its not a gun.

Works equally well with my double action American Derringer also.

[longtooth]

Back pocket Kel-Tec is my deep conceal right now too. Works great even though a little light. I am watching for something a little bigger than the .380 for tuckable but not nearly so large as my .45. The KT is thinner than my billfold & I suspect thinner than the vast majority of billfolds.

[stevie_d_64]

The law DOES say the sign must be conspicuous, but your A and B have yet to be established by case law.

My points are pretty much the definition of "conspicuous".

You're correct that I have no legal precedents supporting that. I know of no legal precedents to the contrary, either. If a CHL has been convicted of 30.06 trespass based on an inconspicuous sign, I think we'd have heard about it.

Back to Lucky45's post... I suspect that he saw the TABC "unlicensed possession" notice, which is in both English and Spanish. A valid 30.06 notice is unmistakeable. (I wouldn't quibble that a sign is invalid because it left out or mis-spelled a word, or the letters are 7/8ths of an inch.)

Kevin

I think that both Tx and Kevin observations are correct from a certain point of view...

Whenever I have been out and about, and I come across a "30.06" sign in this state, I very quickly come to the conclusion, that regardless if the wording is totally correct or the conspicuousness (sp? ) of the sign is in question...

I very simply conclude that the intent of the business owner is to restrict your right, therefore I exercise my right to take my business elsewhere...

It really keeps me from getting all puffy about it anymore...

"Lucky45", you're doing the right thing...Keep aware of these issues, and keep your eyes peeled for this stuff...The gunsafe in the car deal is a very good step in securing your carry piece when you just absolutely have too (but understandable have too) disarm to conduct your business in these types of facilities or establishments...

Pretty soon it all becomes second nature, and along the way you'll see, as I have seen, things tend to get better defined/clarified legally every year...

I think this issue is very clear, and is a reminder to all of us to keep on our toes and talk this one out every now and then...

[stevie_d_64]

I would suggest something that would remain secure in the event of a collision (such as a holster on your body, or holster mounted to the car). Things sitting in the floorboard and passenger seat can go flying if you have to stomp on the brakes or get into a minor collision.

Try a Google search on seat holster. There are lots of alternatives and placements for them, ranging from just under your knees to on the side of the back of the seat. I know lots of folks prefer to keep the firearm on them in the car for this very reason (flying guns aren't fun or funny). If you find that you need to go somewhere that is posted 30.06 or is otherwise verbotten (like a school, f'rinstance), a nice under-the-seat or in-the-trunk lockbox can be used at that point (but you'll want to make sure it's secured to the vehicle). If you find that carrying while in your vehicle is too uncomfortable, though, a seat holster might be the solution.

Even though I know I am in a tactical disadvantage because when I am carrying, I do not take the firearm from its holstered position on my hip, unless I have to secure it in my vehicle safe...

So in situations, however unlikely, that I would need the firearm in a hurry in my truck/car...

I tend to believe that in situations where a car jacker "might" (and I use that term lightly) might be able to get into my vehicle and successfully get me to exit "feet first"...I would say that in all likelyhood that I'll be waving bye bye to the truck or car...And no shots would be fired...

Having your firearm in a seat holster, or even if you forget to take it out of your car safe is moot at that point...You really don't get a "time out" to grab stuff you can't afford to be without in a situation like that...

I'm hoping issues like this get discussed "more" at this next weekends Forum Day at PSC...