CLEOs that will sign Form 4

[CarnivorouZ]

Lately I have been interested in purchasing a suppressor for my Walther P22. To do this I have to have the Chief LEO for my county sign off on the form 4 before I can pay the $200 tax to get it. I have been told by a local class 3 dealer here in San Antonio that the CLEO here will not sign the form and one must go through a loophole of getting a NFA Trust lawyer to sign off on the form. I have contacted a couple of lawyers at this point and found one willing to sign but for $600. Putting the total cost of the suppressor at $1,125 which of course is just idiotic as I told him.
Now I am wondering if any others have had experience with this and if so, are there CLEOs in Travis county (Austin) or Harris county (Houston) that are willing to sign the form 4? I will be moving out of San Antonio within the year and would just like to know ahead of time even if my decision on the location doesn't really depend on this.

Thanks guys,
Chase

[hirundo82]

I have been told by a local class 3 dealer here in San Antonio that the CLEO here will not sign the form and one must go through a loophole of getting a NFA Trust lawyer to sign off on the form. I have contacted a couple of lawyers at this point and found one willing to sign but for $600. Putting the total cost of the suppressor at $1,125 which of course is just idiotic as I told him.

The lawyer isn't signing off on the form for you; he's creating a trust for you that will own the firearms. Once the trust is established you can purchase as many Title II firearms as you want using it, and you have the advantage of not having to submit pictures and fingerprints for each form.

If you decide to not go with the trust, there are a number of people who are the ATF says are qualified to sign as CLEO--police chief, sheriff, district attorney, etc.

I don't know about Bexar County, but rumor a year or two ago was that the Harris County DA and sheriff (both of whom are pretty new) will sign. I haven't verified that, but an FFL/SOT in the area would likely know. If you were to move to one of the counties surrounding Harris, I suspect that getting a signoff would be easier than in Houston proper.

There are also rumors going around that the CLEO signoff may be going away and be replaced with notification of law enforcement instead. This is supposedly because the ATF is getting too many applications from trusts, which are harder for them to verify than individual purchases. Word is that the change has been OK'd by ATF and the National Sheriffs' Association, and that approval from the DOJ is the last step.

[ScottDLS]

Lately I have been interested in purchasing a suppressor for my Walther P22. To do this I have to have the Chief LEO for my county sign off on the form 4 before I can pay the $200 tax to get it. I have been told by a local class 3 dealer here in San Antonio that the CLEO here will not sign the form and one must go through a loophole of getting a NFA Trust lawyer to sign off on the form. I have contacted a couple of lawyers at this point and found one willing to sign but for $600. Putting the total cost of the suppressor at $1,125 which of course is just idiotic as I told him.
Now I am wondering if any others have had experience with this and if so, are there CLEOs in Travis county (Austin) or Harris county (Houston) that are willing to sign the form 4? I will be moving out of San Antonio within the year and would just like to know ahead of time even if my decision on the location doesn't really depend on this.

Thanks guys,
Chase

I did it in Denton County a few years ago for a machine gun. New Sheriff now, but I heard he will sign. Harris County has been on and off from what I've heard. I believe Travis is a no, but Williamson County (Round Rock) Sheriff has signed in the past. Best bet is to go over to http://www.subguns.com and post a note on their NFA board. That's how I found out who in my county would sign.

[CarnivorouZ]

Thanks a lot for the help so far. And I have posted at subguns.com. http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsg.cgi?read=755281. I would really like to get a hold of a suppressor for a price that isn't my right arm or first born.

[hirundo82]

I would really like to get a hold of a suppressor for a price that isn't my right arm or first born.

I'd expect to pay as much for a suppressor as you would for a decent quality handgun. The NFA laws actually lead to suppressors being more expensive--it's a hassle to purchase, so people want the best they can get rather than there being bargain brands available.

[Purplehood]

I have just got to ask, since I have noted a lot of interest in various threads on this forum regarding Suppressors. Why do you folks want them?

I am just nosey. I don't feel any particular urge for one, but was curious as to why others do. I am NOT looking for justification, so don't get me wrong.

[74novaman]

I have just got to ask, since I have noted a lot of interest in various threads on this forum regarding Suppressors. Why do you folks want them?

I am just nosey. I don't feel any particular urge for one, but was curious as to why others do. I am NOT looking for justification, so don't get me wrong.

I can answer why I would personally would LOVE to have one. My wife, who has only shot a few times, doesn't mind the recoil of a .22 pistol. But even a .22 pistol makes a very loud, very "aggressive" sounding CRACK when it fires. She's stated to me before that the noise at the range bothers her more than actually shooting the gun. If I had a suppressed .22, it would be the ideal weapon in my mind to introduce people to shooting handguns with. Take away the loud noises, and it becomes a lot easier to handle as a newbie.

[CarnivorouZ]

I have just got to ask, since I have noted a lot of interest in various threads on this forum regarding Suppressors. Why do you folks want them?

I am just nosey. I don't feel any particular urge for one, but was curious as to why others do. I am NOT looking for justification, so don't get me wrong.

Kinda comes down to the age old question of "Why do you want a gun?" or "Why do you own so many guns?" Yea I could go on about self-defense of my home and family. And that would all be true, but at the end of the day it's all largely because at heart I am still a boy who loves his toys. And firing a suppressed .22 that has more sound from the round hitting the target than from firing it would make me smile....just like I do every time I fire my AR ;)

[CarnivorouZ]

I have just got to ask, since I have noted a lot of interest in various threads on this forum regarding Suppressors. Why do you folks want them?

I am just nosey. I don't feel any particular urge for one, but was curious as to why others do. I am NOT looking for justification, so don't get me wrong.

I can answer why I would personally would LOVE to have one. My wife, who has only shot a few times, doesn't mind the recoil of a .22 pistol. But even a .22 pistol makes a very loud, very "aggressive" sounding CRACK when it fires. She's stated to me before that the noise at the range bothers her more than actually shooting the gun. If I had a suppressed .22, it would be the ideal weapon in my mind to introduce people to shooting handguns with. Take away the loud noises, and it becomes a lot easier to handle as a newbie.

I just posted but I feel I have to ditto this...have let a few younger children shoot while instructing them and they always prefer the .22 for the reasons mentioned above. But like he said, it still makes a CRACK that is a bit much. Suppress it and you can have fun teaching the young how to shoot, and gun safety and they won't be put off by the loud noises.

[Purplehood]

I always looked at it from the "snoopin and poopin" aspect of Suppressors. I never thought of its use in purely pragmatic terms.

[ScottDLS]

I have just got to ask, since I have noted a lot of interest in various threads on this forum regarding Suppressors. Why do you folks want them?

I am just nosey. I don't feel any particular urge for one, but was curious as to why others do. I am NOT looking for justification, so don't get me wrong.

I got a supressor (a crappy one at that) as part of a deal on a MAC10... I didn't really think I'd care about it, but when I took the MAC to the range a few people looked over when I let it rip full-auto. But when I screwed the "can" on and shot it, everybody in the place looked over at my lane. It was just very cool. MACs don't suppress that well, but it still turned heads. It also helps that I can hold the can with my left hand (neoprene heat shield installed) when shooting full auto. The MAC barrel alone is so short that I'm afraid I'll shoot my fingers off when gripping the gun body with my left hand.

So I guess I own one to save my fingertips.

[hirundo82]

Why do you folks want them?

No particular reason. I guess I could say something about hearing protection or pest control or something like that, but in my case it's mainly for kicks and giggles.

[bnc]

I have just got to ask, since I have noted a lot of interest in various threads on this forum regarding Suppressors. Why do you folks want them?

I am just nosey. I don't feel any particular urge for one, but was curious as to why others do. I am NOT looking for justification, so don't get me wrong.

I want one for hearing protection. Even at the range with plugs and muffs, a suppressor would still help protect everyone's hearing in the area, and it would also be less troublesome to those who are near the range.

Most importantly, if I'm ever in the miserable situation of having to defend myself at home (or car possibly), I would at least like to not go deaf in the process. It really is no different than a car's muffler.

The other day I was looking through some of Oleg Volk's gun/advocacy photographs and several were related to suppressors. I don't know the specifics of it, but he claimed that in European countries that allow firearm ownership suppressors are generally not restricted and are seen as part of hearing protection rather than "snoopin' and poopin'". (lol, what exactly is the poopin' part? I'm guessing it is not the kind of poopin' I'm accustomed too )

[A-R]

For what it's worth, I've heard the Cedar Park police chief will sign for these. Contact the guys at the Cedar Park Gun Shop (Google it) and they can give you the low down.

[The Mad Moderate]

I saw this earlier today same gun you mentioned so I thought I would share the link.
walthler p22 w/silencer $550
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