How Does one LEGALLY...

[speedsix]

...cut the barrel of a pump/double shotgun shorter than 18"? the 14" is common for law enforcement...the Serbu Shorty is legal to own with a $5 transfer fee...but if a private citizen wants a shorter-barrelled shotgun for vehicle or home...what's the legal way to get there???

[apostate]

Here's the short version: Submit a request to BATFE to make a SBS and pay the $200 2A tax. Wait. Wait some more. When you get the tax stamp, then you can cut down the barrel and make a SBS.

[speedsix]

...if I want a gunsmith to do it, so it's neater...and he can finish the rib out or solder the sight...does HE have to apply for the stamp, or can he do the work on the strength of mine???

...and thanks for the help...

...another possibility might be to locate a 14" barrel...and pay for the $5.00 transfer fee...

[Carry-a-Kimber]

Take the barrel to a 'smith sans reciever. Have him cut it down meanwhile you apply for the stamp. Once you have the stamp in hand, go pick up the barrel and assemble. Otherwise your gunsmith and you would both need a stamp and have a Class III dealer handle the transfer between 'smith and you.

[Carry-a-Kimber]

If you buy a 14" barrel you would still pay $200 to "manufacture" a short barreled shotgun. The $5 stamp is only for transferiing and AOW, not manufacturing one. To be an AOW the shotgun would have to have ONLY a pistol grip and NEVER have been fitted nor EVER wear a shoulder stock. If you buy an AOW shotgun, pay the $5 transfer tax and put a shoulder stock on it without paying an additional $200; you have just manufactured an illegal short barreled shotgun.

[speedsix]

...WOW...they don't make it easy, do they...well, I don't want even a folding stock, much less pistol grip...so that limits my options...but I ain't stickin' MY neck NOR the gunsmith's out...I just want something smaller for in the house...car...may look into a bullpup design instead...there've been 2 or 3 out there...thanks for your help...

[Carry-a-Kimber]

...WOW...they don't make it easy, do they...well, I don't want even a folding stock, much less pistol grip...so that limits my options...but I ain't stickin' MY neck NOR the gunsmith's out...I just want something smaller for in the house...car...may look into a bullpup design instead...there've been 2 or 3 out there...thanks for your help...

If you don't mind the wait and paying the $200 tax; taking only the barrel to the gunsmith and having him keep it until the stamp is approved would be the easiest way to do it. You would also have to have your name and city engraved on the reciever before putting the barrel and reciever together.

[speedsix]

...and he couldn't get into trouble for having the short barrel while neither of us had a stamp for it??? not going to miss legal by a whisker...not worth the penalty to wait for it to all happen right...I can engrave the receiver myself...it'd be a 1200 Winch...then that barrel could only ever be used on THAT shotgun, right??? it'd have to be tied to that serial #???

[Carry-a-Kimber]

IF he has a 1200 reciever laying around without a barrel he MIGHT be capable of being charged with "constructive possession". There is no issue of you doing the engracing yourself. Funny thing is, I have a 1200 with a blown out barrel that I will probably be lopping off myself later this year.

[speedsix]

...smoothest actions I've ever found...and the ONLY action I've found that reliably feeds the Aguila Mini-Shells...getting harder to find 'em...

[Heartland Patriot]

Do you folks see what I am talking about? How does speedsix having a short barrel shotgun cause a problem IF he doesn't use it for an unlawful purpose? The answer, of course, is IT DOESN'T. But due to the precious little minds that set up the BATFE and wrote all those idiotic rules, he (or anyone else) who wants one has to jump through hoops to be LEGAL to have it. And if he doesn't, off to the pokey he goes for 10 years, EVEN THOUGH NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED AGAINST ANOTHER. Ridiculous...

[speedsix]

...that's neat...reckon they offer it in a de-cocker???

[tbrown]

Do you folks see what I am talking about? How does speedsix having a short barrel shotgun cause a problem IF he doesn't use it for an unlawful purpose? The answer, of course, is IT DOESN'T. But due to the precious little minds that set up the BATFE and wrote all those idiotic rules, he (or anyone else) who wants one has to jump through hoops to be LEGAL to have it. And if he doesn't, off to the pokey he goes for 10 years, EVEN THOUGH NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED AGAINST ANOTHER. Ridiculous...

You're barking up the wrong tree. BATFE didn't make the rule. It's a law passed by Congress and signed by the President, long before most of us were born. It's true the law is blatantly unconstitutional. Not just the Second Amendment but the 10th Amendment too. It's also true no Congress since has had the integrity to repeal it.