APD arrests West Point Grad

[gemini]

I searched and didn't see this posted yet. If it has been, then sorry.
This could get interesting:
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[Thomas]

From the lack of explanation in the video and the pictures of the woman in the video, it doesn't appear to me that she was being abused and he probably crossed the line from innocent observer.

Perhaps the man disobeying the orders of the police officer? I hear him yelling louder than the police officer.

How close can one get to a police matter before one is interfering?

[Lambda Force]

I don't see where "West Point" is any more relevant than skin color or religion in this video.

[Thomas]

I don't see where "West Point" is any more relevant than skin color or religion in this video.

Agreed.

[Heartland Patriot]

I don't see where "West Point" is any more relevant than skin color or religion in this video.

I think the point of mentioning his military background is to say something along the lines of: he's not some law-enforcement hating criminal. Maybe the guy does have something against law enforcement, no way to know that from what I saw in the video. I'm simply saying that his honorable military service background wouldn't INDICATE a reason for him to have something against law enforcement as a matter of course.

[Dave2]

I don't see where "West Point" is any more relevant than skin color or religion in this video.

I think the point of mentioning his military background is to say something along the lines of: he's not some law-enforcement hating criminal. Maybe the guy does have something against law enforcement, no way to know that from what I saw in the video. I'm simply saying that his honorable military service background wouldn't INDICATE a reason for him to have something against law enforcement as a matter of course.

In one of the videos he says he doesn't have anything against LEOs in general, just the two involved in this case. The other videos that I saw skipped that part of his statement.

[JP171]

From what I can see and what research I have done, admittedly not a great deal but some, the larger of the officers told her to put her cell phone down she didn't he then grabbed her by her hair and bodily drug her out of the car she screamed when the officer pulled her from the vehicle the man then started taking pictures, the officer told him to stop, he had no legal requirement to stop taking pictures as the officer may NOT give a direction to not take pictures, civilian police officers do not give orders, they give direction granted some of the directions you must follow if the law gives them the authority to give them but others are protected under the law and the officer may not give direction counter to that. his failure to comply with the officers illegal instruction made the officer angrier than he was and the officer made more bad decisions such as shoving the man against the vehicle. yea you see where this is going both of the officers from what I see and the revolving description of the charges against the man tell me its a "contemp of cop" hunt they'll "show him". I do agree for sake of argument the guy should have not said a word, nor should he have argued with the officer loudly, but refused the illegal direction quietly, his being a veteran of the current military action has no bearing on the relavance of the situation. yes it may be being used to make a point, the point being made it becomes moot. so it seems to me that all the men involved made bad decisions but I have to say that the officers made the larger mistake of the group

[Ameer]

I wonder if the situation was reversed and Bueller was in Iraq a year ago and a civilian refused to exit their vehicle. How long would he talk with them to try to persuade them to come out before physically removing them from the vehicle. If another Iraqi citizen started to interfere, would he have been as patient and restrained as APD was?

[glbedd53]

We will see when they turn over that dash cam. If it hasn't been accidentally misplaced.

[Heartland Patriot]

I wonder if the situation was reversed and Bueller was in Iraq a year ago and a civilian refused to exit their vehicle. How long would he talk with them to try to persuade them to come out before physically removing them from the vehicle. If another Iraqi citizen started to interfere, would he have been as patient and restrained as APD was?

This is a serious question? Do you really think that a "non-compliant" person in a car in Iraq, where full auto AKs are prevalent and IEDs are a darn near daily occurrence, is equivalent to what APPEARED (my lyin' eyes could have been deceiving me) to be an intoxicated "party girl" here in the USA? To me, that is like comparing a Rottweiler to a dachshund...they are both dogs, and can turn ugly real fast...but I know which would likely be the more dangerous of the two.

[bci21984]

He wanted to interject himself into the situation and now hes upset because they showed him the attention he sought.

[RoyGBiv]

It's interesting to see where folks come down on this, given so little information.

The party girls' photo, where she's on her knees with her arms jacked way up...
Sure does look like the LEO's are trying to make a point unnecessarily. She looks well under control.
With my shoulder issues, that position would probably result in a hospital stay for me.
Combine this with the hair-pulling and ..... sounds bad for the LEO's

Flip side?

If party girl failed to follow directions, perhaps she was being flippant, perhaps .... who knows.
I could make assumptions from her attire that she was snooty and didn't feel she was obligated to follow instructions.
Maybe she reached into her purse, or took some other action that signaled real danger.
If that's the case, maybe she's lucky she only got roughed up and not shot.

While I give full credit to the Soldiers version of the story, from the time he heard party-girl scream, and I believe his motivations were nothing less than honorable, he wasn't there to witness what caused the LEO's to get physical.

Bottom line.... I wasn't there.. all the facts are not known.

IMO, YMMV

[i8godzilla]

It's interesting to see where folks come down on this, given so little information.

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Bottom line.... I wasn't there.. all the facts are not known.

IMO, YMMV

THIS

[SRH78]

Bottom line.... I wasn't there.. all the facts are not known.
IMO, YMMV

I definitely agree with this. However, IF she was dragged out of the car by her hair simply for being snooty and uncooperative, that would, imo, be excessive. One of the things that seperates the good guys from the bad guys is that good guys only use force when and to the degree that it is necessary. They don't use it to prove a point or throw their weight around because they feel disrespected. Once an individual crosses that line, they are no longer in the right and their actions are no longer justified. I wish that what we have here was simply a misunderstanding but unfortunately that is not the case. The report by the officer stated that the man spit in his face. Either that says something about his character and judgement or the officer is falsely accusing the man of a crime. If the first is true, it is dissapointing. If the later is true, it is far worse. Unfortuately, if or when the truth comes out, it will probably get a lot less attention.

While I think it is very possible that some level of unnecessary force was used, one thing worth pointing out is that quite a few people scream during a confrontation so that it will seem much worse to others than it really is. By itself, that he heard her screaming doesn't really mean anything.

[bayouhazard]

He wanted to interject himself into the situation and now hes upset because they showed him the attention he sought.

This.

He could have discretely photographed or videoed like someone else apparently did. Instead he wanted to get involved and it looks like he got what he wanted.