WHAT THE OPPOSITION SAYS! (LONG READ, BUT WORTH IT)

ScubaSigGuy · Post by **ScubaSigGuy** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:23 pm

A friend sent this to me and I felt compelled to post it. It's long but worth the read. We all have to pay close attention to the political circus over the next two years or we could find ourselves being ruled by this type of mindset. Just for the record I believe that fanatacism in any direction is bad. I believe in tolerance as it relates to the rights of others and to my rights not being infringed upon. I just want to be able to safely, and legaly carry (when my plastic arrives) and own firearms if I choose to do so.

"The thought that average citizens will somehow be better able to successfully defend themselves more effectively than our nation's trained professionals is absurd."
Official Statement of Handgun Control Incorporated (HCI)

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. .If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

"I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers...No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress

"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns." Rahm Emmanuel
"Stroke of the pen, law of the land... kinda cool"
Clinton Presidential Aide Paul Begala referring to Executive Orders, July 1998

Susan Glick of Violence Policy Center, Washington DC: "Sir, we're not hiding behind anything. We we endorse a handgun ban. I will tell you that right now. We absolutely endorse that ban..."
Caller, Mark: "Now you're saying that's what your ultimate goal is..."
Glick: "That's right, and we are absolutely vocal about it..."
-on radio talk show "Front Page" hosted by Sue Wiley on WVLK Radio 590am Lexington KY 12/3/1997

"I don't believe gun owners have rights."
Sarah Brady, Hearst Newspapers Special Report "Handguns in America", October 1997

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them. "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D/CA) speaking of her authorship of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban on "60 Minutes" 2/5/95 *Don't forget: Senator Feinstein packs and has armed bodyguards with "assault" weapons to protect her!

"We must get rid of all the guns."
Sarah Brady speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others on "The Phil Donahue Show" September 1994

"For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments."
James Brady, Parade Magazine 6/26/94

"...When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly....[However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."
President Bill Clinton on MTV "Enough is Enough" 3/22/94

"Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January 1994, p.3

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994
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"[President Clinton]...ordered the Justice Department to begin studying gun licensing, registration, and collection proposals."
The Washington Times 12/12/93

"Gun registration is not enough."
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno on "Good morning America" 12/10/93

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"
U.S. Representative Charles Schumer (D/NY) on NBC 12/8/93

"Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation. Ultimately, that may mean it would require court approval to buy a handgun."
President of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Michael K. Beard, Washington Times 12/6/93 p.A1

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
President Bill Clinton 8/12/93

"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think - I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means."
President Bill Clinton 8/11/93

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
President Bill Clinton, speech in Philadelphia PA City Hall courtyard 5/28/93

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans"
President Bill Clinton at press conference in Piscataway NJ 3/1/93, Boston Globe 3/2/93 & USA Today 3/11/93

"There is no reason for anyone in this country- anyone except a police officer or military person- to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns."
President Bill Clinton while signing the Brady Bill 1993

"The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people."
President Bill Clinton on "MTV" 1993

"The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace."
Dade County State Attorney Janet Reno, speech to B'nai B'rith Ft. Lauderdale FL Gathering 1991.

"No, we are not looking at how to control criminals, we are talking about banning the AK47 and semi-automatic guns!"
Senator Metzenbaum (D/OH) during Constitution Subcommittee 2/10/89

"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
Sarah Brady 7/1/88
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"WE'VE KEPT OUR APPROACH AT THE FACTUAL LEVEL FOR TOO LONG. NOW WE WANT TO GET EMOTIONAL WITH THIS THING."
HCI Executive Vice-president Charles Orasin, 1979

"Our ultimate goal- total control of handguns in the United States- is going to take time...The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced...The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of handguns and all handgun ammunition- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors- totally illegal."
Nelson Shields (Sarah Brady's predecessor at HCI), New Yorker Magazine 7/26/76 p.53 *NOTE: HCI added rifles and shotguns to this list about 10 years ago.

"We favor nothing less than total ban on the sale and manufacture of all handguns, with exception for police, military personnel and pistol clubs... that most persons possessing firearms 'are a menace to themselves and their families'. . that private ownership of handguns also be prohibited."
Common Cause testified to a U.S. House Judiciary subcommittee, June 1972

"They [all firearms]...should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed."
National Council For A Responsible Firearms Policy Secretary Elliot Corbett, The Washington Evening Star, 9/19/69
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Where did the above individuals get their ideas from?
Read the quotes below and see:

"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all."
Nikita Khrushchev to the 20th Congress of the Communist Party 2/25/56

"Fascist ethics begin ... with the acknowledgment that it is not the individual who confers a meaning upon society, but it is, instead, the existence of a human society which determines the human character of the individual. According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place unless the State has risen to a position of preeminence in the world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once, and this need of rising the State to its rightful position."
Mario Palmieri in The Philosophy of Fascism 1936

"Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
Heinrich Himmler 1935

"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual; between the State which demands and the individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left to himself, unless he be a saint or hero, always refuses to pay taxes, obey laws, or go to war."
Benito Mussolini

"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual .... This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture .... we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man."
Adolph Hitler 1933

"The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."
Adolph Hitler, quoted in Hitler, A Study in Tyranny by Alan Bullock, Harper Collins, NY

"All our lives we fought against exalting the individual, against the elevation of the single person, and long ago we were over and done with the business of a hero, and here it comes up again: the glorification of one personality. This is not good at all."
Vladimir Lenin, quoted in Not by Politics Alone

"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission, which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
Ayn Rand, The Nature of Government

"The power of the state is measured by the power that men surrender to it." Felix Morley

"The Constitution is a limited grant of enumerated powers...and a series of restrictions that prohibit government officials from interfering with the exercise of rights that preexist government."
J. Hornberger 11/2001 http://www.FFF.org/comment/ed1101h.aspFFF

"It is naive to believe that the Supreme Court will invalidate any government action that receives both congressional and presidential imprimatur as necessary and proper to protect Americans against the terrorist threat. If our liberties are to be protected, it is up to us to protect them."
Sanford Levinson 10/17/01
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary ... n.htmlFind Law
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"Terrorists don't actually cause terror to occur. It occurs when the government says you can't defend yourself. Only after this fundamental sapient right to defend yourself is taken away, can unscrupulous men terrorize you."
Tristan Petersen 10/8/01 http://www.anti-state.com/petersen/pete ... mlPeterson

"The right is absolute...government has no authority to forbid me from owning a firearm...the debate is not about guns. It is about freedom."
Calif. Sen. Tom McClintock, Western CPAC Conference 6/9/01
http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclin ... McClintock

"Registration has been used to facilitate gun confiscation in the UK, Australia, Jamaica, CA, NYC, Nazi-occupied Europe, Soviet-occupied Europe, Philippines, Bermuda ... Registration is an important preliminary step to total handgun prohibition."
Dave Kopel 8/1/01
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kop ... shtmlKopel

"A state that deprives its law-abiding citizens of the means to effectively defend themselves is not civilized but barbarous, becoming an accomplice of murderers, rapists, and thugs..."
Jeff Snyder, 'A Nation of Cowards'
http://www.shadeslanding.com/firearms/c ... tmlCowards

"Those who think private citizens should never be armed should think about where young Robert Regent would be today if his dad hadn't had a gun and known how to use it."
Rod Dreher, NY Post 6/26/01

"...many existing 'gun control' laws are unconstitutional and ineffective. Counties which allow law-abiding citizens to go armed have seen their rates of violent crime drop markedly."
Las Vegas Review-Journal 7/25/01
http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2001/Jul- ... 49.htmlLas Vegas Review

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee, initiator of the Declaration of Independence

"...that the Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
Samuel Adams, Bill of Rights Ratification 1779

"The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts; not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." George Washington

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."
1982 Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution
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"What the subcommittee on the Constitution uncovered was clear - and long lost - proof that the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms."
U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch, 1982 Subcommittee on the Constitution

"Not only is it the right of every free person to bear arms, it is a must for continued freedom from oppression and crime."
Sheriff Cook 8/14/01 http://www.SierraTimes.com/archive/file ... .htmSierra Times

"...gun laws only result in armed criminals preying on defenseless citizens."
Lt. Harry Thomas, July 1989 American Rifleman pg.58

"We are adamantly opposed to registration of guns...There is no difference in licensing the gun owner or registering the gun; that is just semantics."
Charles Canterbury, President, SC Fraternal Order of Police, 12/10/93, in The Washington Times

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist, 'On Crimes and Punishment'

"The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty is that it was lost because its possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand while yet there was time."
U.S. Supreme Court Justice George Sutherland, 1938

"We never thought that there would be any effect on illegal gun crime, because this is a totally separate issue. What we were campaigning for was to make sure that a civilian could not be legally trained to use a handgun."
Anne Pearston, UK, 2001 http://lewrockwell.com/watson/watson12.htmlWatson

"You have plenty of rights in this country, provided you don't get caught exercising them."
Terry Mitchell

"There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people had not been 'brainwashed' about gun ownership and they had been well armed. Hitler's thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazis."
Theodore Haas, former prisoner of Dachau Nazi death camp

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania

"I have seen an American general and his officers, without pay, and almost without clothes, living on roots and drinking water; and all for LIBERTY! What chance have we against such men!"
young British officer to Colonel Watson describing the American militia rebels in Georgetown, SC [Source: 'Marion, The Life of Gen. Francis Marion' by M. L. Weems, Ch.18]

In Killeen, Texas, George Hennard murdered 23 people at a local Luby's Cafeteria. He rammed his pickup truck through the window and began systematically shooting people. He continued shooting people for about ten minutes, reloading five times and even throwing away one gun which jammed during his murderous rampage. Federal Congressional Representative. Dr. Suzanna Gratia, a patron who survived, but who had to watch while he killed both of her parents, had a gun. But because of Texas law at the time, she had left it in her car and was not able to get to it. Hennard was totally focused on what he was doing and if she had been able to get to her gun, she could have easily shot and killed him without danger to others before he could murder any more of his victims.

Handgun Control, Inc., the Violence Policy Center, and the major news media say they don't want to ban all guns, just the bad ones that criminals use. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong is that it's a lie.

At first, anti-self-defense organizations (such as HCI and VPC) said they wanted to get rid of cheap handguns-so-called "Saturday night specials"-claiming that these inexpensive personal defense weapons were the "firearms of choice" for criminals. Then they included ALL handguns, claiming that these were the "firearms of choice" for criminals (ignoring the fact that handguns are the overwhelming choice of peaceful citizens for self-defense) Then they added military-looking semi-auto rifles, claiming these were the "firearms of choice" for criminals. Then they added any rifle with certain "military" features, like pistol grips and folding stocks and the ability to take a high-capacity magazine. Now they've added "sniper rifles"-which would include any hunting caliber rifle with a scope-and claim that these pose a new and terrible threat to society. Along the way they've included "armor piercing bullets", which includes the cartridge of almost any hunting rifle, depending upon the particular armor you choose.

In the words of the gun-banners themselves:

"We are now supporting the President's bill which provides stringent restrictions on rifles and shotguns. We shall also get behind the bill which provides for national registration and licensing. I personally believe handguns should be outlawed."
J. Elliot Corbett, Sect'y, National Council for a Responsible firearms Policy, in a letter, June 17, 1968

"The final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition--[except for law enforcement]--totally illegal."
Nelson T. "Pete" Shields, executive director of National Council to Control Handguns (now Handgun Control, Inc.) quoted in the July 26, 1976 edition of The New Yorker Magazine.

"The only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes."
Sarah Brady, Jackson, Keeping the Battle Alive, Tampa Tribune, Oct. 21, 1993.

We Are NOT "Gun Banners"--and never have been... Handgun Control, Inc., has never advocated banning firearms used for legitimate purposes such as hunting and recreation."
[Note there is no mention of self defense or militia use, which are the primary reasons for the Second Amendment--GT]
"Gun Measures We Don't Support", Handgun Control Inc. publication (March 16, 1999).

"Americans are ready to hate somebody, and it's going to be the gun industry."
Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center, May 16, 1994 issue of Newsweek Magazine.
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"The word 'hate' is a very carefully chosen word. There's got to be a real sense of revulsion and disgust. People are looking for someone to blame, someone who's the cause of their problems, and it should be the gun industry. These guys are the living embodiment of the slogan, 'Guns don't kill people-people kill people'. They're complete mercenaries."
Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center, June 13, 1994 issue of The New American Magazine,

".banning the private sale and possession of handguns; banning the private sale and possession of military-style assault weapons; [etc.]"
Violence Policy Center recommendations in their pamphlet The Second Amendment: No Right to Keep and Bear Arms. [Take note of the very title of the pamphlet--GT]

"Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we
think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation."
Michael K. Beard, president of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, quoted in the Washington Times, Dec. 9, 1993.

"As you probably know by now, Time's editors, in the April 13 issue, took a strong position in support of an outright ban on handguns for private use."
Time Magazine, Letter to the NRA, April 24, 1981.

"There is no reason for anyone in this country, for anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution."
Michael Gartner, former NBC News President, USA Today, January 16, 1992.

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"The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business."
Editorial, New York Times, Sept. 24, 1975.
[ALL citizens are legally empowered to enforce the law-and do so every day--GT]

"The truth is, [handguns] are used to assassinate people, to kill people, because they are very easily concealed, you can drop them in any pocket."
John Magaw, Director of BATF, interviewed by ABC's Day One correspondent John McKenzie.

"Tighten controls on the gun trade in the United States and other member nations."
UN Disarmament Commission

"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future."
Harvard psychiatrist Chester M. Pierce, speaking as an expert in public education at the 1973 International Education Seminar

"This is not all we will have in future Congresses, but this is a crack in the door. There are too many handguns in the hands of citizens. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with the Brady Bill."
U.S. Representative Craig Washington, at the mark-up hearing on the Brady Bill, April 10, 1991.

"Handguns should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed."
Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council For A Responsible Firearms Policy (interview appeared in the Washington Evening Star on September 19, 1969).

Will938 · Post by **Will938** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:08 pm

While I'm sure some of those quotes were taken out of context, I got about 1/2 way through before my stomach turned.

nitrogen · Post by **nitrogen** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:49 pm

Godwin's law invoked after 1 response!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

ScubaSigGuy · Post by **ScubaSigGuy** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:08 pm

I agree that some or even a good portion may be taken out of context. But what context? Anything close is threatening. I guess that I have been ignorant to alot of the anti-gun rhetoric until recently. Having spent nearly a decade in the military I was insulated somewhat from it. I know that's not a valid excuse, but my eyes are open now...wide open.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:05 pm

Some of that is nearly 40 years old.

ScubaSigGuy · Post by **ScubaSigGuy** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:02 pm

txinvestigator wrote:Some of that is nearly 40 years old.

I am not sure what you mean by that, but some of it is much older than that.

It's just food for thought. History has a tendency to repeat itself, right?

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:06 pm

ScubaSigGuy wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:Some of that is nearly 40 years old.

I am not sure what you mean by that, but some of it is much older than that.

It's just food for thought. History has a tendency to repeat itself, right?

Relax, I'm not judging your post.

ScubaSigGuy · Post by **ScubaSigGuy** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:21 pm

txinvestigator wrote:
ScubaSigGuy wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:Relax, I'm not judging your post.

There wasn't any tone in that.

Really! I just wasn't sure what you meant. I haven't been on the forum long enough to know anyone's personalities. I am pretty sarcstic myself, and I am sure that will come out in due time.

glocklvr · Post by **glocklvr** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:43 am

some of that stuff is down right scary even if it might be out of context a little but sad to say doesn't surprise me

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:57 am

nitrogen wrote:Godwin's law invoked after 1 response!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Ummm... no. The first response did not invoke Godwin. Nor have any other responses.

Kevin

Roger Howard · Post by **Roger Howard** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:49 pm

While alot of this information is really old it still shows the mindset of todays liberal anti-gun lobbyist. They are more than willing to decieve the american public to advance their agenda.

"Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January 1994, p.3

This statement alone scares the h-e-double hockey sticks out of me. This is the typical thinking of the new radical left.
While there are more moderate dem's in our corner on 2nd amendment rights, the party as a whole has moved more to the left and is attacking our 2nd amendment rights.

The outcome of the election in 08 could put gun ownership at risk. The anti's use a strategy of chipping away at gun rights. We need to use the strategy of slowly restoring our rights

I know I'm preaching to the choir but we all know gun owners who dont keep up with whats going on in Washington. It's up to us to get them involved

ScubaSigGuy · Post by **ScubaSigGuy** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:58 pm

R H:

To illustrate your point:

"They [all firearms]...should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed."
National Council For A Responsible Firearms Policy Secretary Elliot Corbett, The Washington Evening Star, 9/19/69

"WE'VE KEPT OUR APPROACH AT THE FACTUAL LEVEL FOR TOO LONG. NOW WE WANT TO GET EMOTIONAL WITH THIS THING."
HCI Executive Vice-president Charles Orasin, 1979

They seem to have more power even divided as all of the groups are. Maybe some of their own tactics should be utilized on the PRO side.
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MrDrummy · Post by **MrDrummy** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:44 pm

Being a new gun-owner (about a year and a half now,) I'm definitely new to most of the anti-gun rhetoric. Reading this stuff makes my stomach queasy, and my blood pressure rise.

It's very hard to walk the line between fanatacism and activism--so how do we motivate those people like us to vote, to get active in programs and organizations that are all about protecting our liberties, without coming across as a complete zealot? Maybe we should come across that way...

It makes me worry about the future, and especially the '08 elections.