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I found this article interesting, given the current debate and the continued push by this administration to "do something", even by executive order, if necessary.
Key questions in the debate are: Can the government ban assault weapons without violating the Constitution? If so, why? To answer these questions, TheBlaze spoke to legal authorities on both sides of the ideological divide, including some truly famous names within the realm of constitutional law. What we found may surprise you.
On these grounds, at least one expert would toss out assault weapons bans entirely. That expert, Randy Barnett of Georgetown Law Center, explained his reasoning to theBlaze via phone:
"When you get down to specifics, I think some of the easier cases for finding unconstitutionality is the assault weapons ban, which bans a weapon in common use, which is the phrase that Heller used to describe the weapons that are protected by the Second Amendment," Barnett told TheBlaze. "There's hardly a weapon that's in more common use than the AR-15 so-called assault weapon. I say so-called, because we all know this is a made-up category. They don't fire any faster than a constitutionally protected handgun fires, and it's typically less lethal than a handgun."
Unfortunately, even though I like his argument, the above expert for some reason thinks that a rifle is less lethal than a handgun.......

Someone else from Harvard law took an opposing view:
Heller recognized that dangerous or unusual weapons may be and have historically been heavily regulated or banned," Tribe's testimony runs. "It is not inconceivable - indeed, it seems quite likely - that the court's pause to distinguish unusually dangerous weapons from widely possessed handguns had precisely the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which included a prohibition on high-capacity magazines, in mind. At the very least, the Heller majority recognized that the government could keep machine guns --M-16 rifles and the like--out of the hands of civilians
"Many of the lower courts are engaged in what you might call civil disobedience against Heller and McDonald," Barnett told TheBlaze. "I would not rely on courts to protect the Second Amendment. The courts did not protect the right to keep and bear arms until 2006, and yet nevertheless we had such a right, and that right we had as a result of political action."
And the Cato Institute chimes in:
Now, [the Supreme Court] said that the Second Amendment would likely pose no barrier to outlawing weapons that are not in common use and are especially dangerous. And we have proof of that because fully automated weapons, like machine guns, have been essentially banned since 1934.

I don't consider myself an expert on the technical features of firearms, and so I'm not prepared to say exactly which weapons would go on the list and which shouldn't, but I think experts should be able to come up with a pretty good list -- obviously not needed for self-defense, obviously dangerous, not in common use. And that would be the new assault weapons ban.
Not that I agree with the above assertion on the creation of a "list" in any case, but the above also ignores the fact that anti-gunners aren't relying on experts to come up with the list.

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I am less concerned about any kind of weapons "ban" than I am of: 1) requiring gun owners to carry an insurance policy, 2) taxing the crap out of ammunition or reloading supplies, 3) requiring ID to purchase ammunition (or gun powder or primers), 4) putting a limit on the amount of ammunition (or powder or reloading supplies) that a person can buy within a certain period of time.
IMHO, there is nothing in the Second Amendment that would prohibit the Federal government from enacting any of these. Some would probably fall under states rights, but this Administration seems to have a knack for passing Executive orders and to hell with what is legal or not. Just pass it then keep things tied up in the courts for months - or years.
I sincerely believe that Obama is less concerned with what is legal than with what he can get away with in the short term. THAT is what scares me the most.
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One would have to point out that the supposedly opposing views actually agree - that AR-15s are in common use and M-16s are regulated, since although they resemble each other, they are NOT the same. :biggrinjester:
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The government can't even define "assault weapon" so how can it ban them, if they exist?
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It makes sense to me that since an assault weapon ban wouldn't affect a "whole class of weapons" that right now it would be constitutional. Basically you would still have access to weapons that function, and have capabilities, the same as the banned weapons so it wouldn't rise to the level of Heller or McDonald. Now it is possible to argue otherwise and further decisions could expand the protection but as of right now...........
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SlickTX wrote:The government can't even define "assault weapon" so how can it ban them, if they exist?

Actually they do define them. It's weapons that are listed in legislation as assault weapons. It's true that it is a definition made up to describe weapons that fit no independent standards of performance or even apearance but this is hardly unique or anymore convoluted that many other terms. I mean "Protected Class" for example.
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In general a handgun round of 9mm and up in calibers is probably more lethal within its effective range than your typical .223/5.56mm round. Keep in mind that this round is designed to wound a target, which means that the victim must be cared for and take up valuable resources that could be used elsewhere. Killing a target is less cost intensive to the victims support-structure.
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Assault weapon - we need to ban that phrase from the forum. It is a farce. If I use a 22 derringer to inflict harm on someone it is an "assault weapon".
Any weapon used to inflict harm is an assault weapon. Whenever used, we should always challenge the user for what is the definition!
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OldGrumpy wrote:Assault weapon - we need to ban that phrase from the forum. It is a farce. If I use a 22 derringer to inflict harm on someone it is an "assault weapon".
Any weapon used to inflict harm is an assault weapon. Whenever used, we should always challenge the user for what is the definition!
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Like this illegitimate, fraudulent gangster regime has ever given a flip about the Constitution before.
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EEllis wrote:
SlickTX wrote:The government can't even define "assault weapon" so how can it ban them, if they exist?

Actually they do define them. It's weapons that are listed in legislation as assault weapons. It's true that it is a definition made up to describe weapons that fit no independent standards of performance or even apearance but this is hardly unique or anymore convoluted that many other terms. I mean "Protected Class" for example.
The point I was trying to make is that, yes, some parts of the government define certain types of weapons as assault weapons, while others (TSA) put out bid requests on the same types of weapons and defines them as "personal protection" weapons.
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