Placement over caliber!

[KBCraig]

I have been known to extol the virtues of the mighty .45 ACP, and it's my personal caliber of choice for daily carry. But here's a news article proving once again that two hits with a .380 beats six misses with a .45:

(Out of curiosity, how do you miss a doorway full bouncers six times?)

Manchester Union Leader article

At least nine shots fired in Uptown Tavern shooting

By PAT GROSSMITH
New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
Tuesday, Apr. 17, 2007

At least nine bullets were fired in a shootout Saturday morning at a downtown bar that ended with the gunman who allegedly instigated the shooting hospitalized after he was shot twice by another customer.

About 50 people were inside the Uptown Tavern, 1301 Elm St., at 12:45 a.m. Saturday when the shooting happened, sending customers diving to the floor for cover.

Police said Eliezer Encarnacion, 26, of 214 Bremer St., Apt. 2, fired a .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun about a half-dozen times at two bouncers and the assistant manager standing in a rear doorway.

Customer Kenneth Gage then pulled out his Kel Tec .380 semiautomatic handgun and fired it three times, hitting Encarnacion twice, according to court records.

Police did not release Gage's age or address. He told police he pulled out his gun and fired it after Encarnacion shot at the bouncers and at him.

Encarnacion and Adrian Brown, 32, of 46 Dover St., Apt. 8, were drinking in the upstairs lounge when one of them inappropriately touched a woman, and they were asked to leave, David Somers, who co-owns the bar, told the New Hampshire Sunday News.

According to court records, bouncer Erick Turner said Brown became confrontational as he was removing him from the bar and assistant manager Jeremy Tinker came to his aid, as did Chad Chapman, another bouncer.

As they were escorting the two Virgin Islands natives out of the bar, Brown allegedly punched Chapman in the face several times.

Chapman grabbed him by the neck and began walking him out the rear door, according to Det. Stacy Howe's affidavit. Then Chapman heard the "cocking" action of a semiautomatic handgun and turned to see Encarnacion pointing a black gun directly at him.

Chapman dove back into the bar to avoid being shot.

Witness Travis Smith heard two gunshots and told police everybody in the bar "hit the deck." Then he heard several other gunshots and saw two black men run out the back door.

Smith and his friends chased after them, catching up to the wounded Encarnacion, who fell to the ground at Myrtle Street. Smith stayed with him until police arrived.

Witness Andre Dupont was outside the bar when he saw two black men near the rear entrance yelling. One of them pulled a black gun from his waistband and fired it six or seven times in two separate bursts, Dupont said.

After the second volley of gunshots, Gage told police he pulled out his gun and fired it at Encarnacion and Brown. Gage told investigators he was uncertain if one or both of the men had guns and were firing them.

Just before the shooting, Gage told police, he saw two bouncers arguing with Brown and Encarnacion. He learned one of them was a boxer and decided to walk over near the bouncers in case they needed help.

In 1999, Adrian Brown trained at the Queen City Boxing Gym. He and his four brothers were all involved in boxing and he and older brother, Gilbert Brown, both captured New England Golden Gloves championships.

One of the bouncers was trying to get Brown and Encarnacion out the rear door when a fight broke out, Gage said, and one of them began shooting directly at the bouncers and at him.

Gage, who voluntarily surrendered his gun to police, told investigators he was amazed no one was hit.

Police recovered six .45-caliber casings and three spent .380-caliber casings from the area where Encarnacion was standing at the time of the shooting. They also recovered the .45-caliber handgun.

Two fresh bullet holes were in the wall of the 4-by-4-foot alcove where Chapman, Tinker and Turner were standing.

Encarnacion has been charged in the shooting and is being detained on $100,000 cash/surety bail. He is to return to court on April 26 for a probable cause hearing and again on June 25 for a trial.

Brown, who was stopped by police at the intersection of Pine and Orange streets, pleaded innocent in Manchester District Court to simple assault, accusing him of punching Chapman in the face.

He told the judge he didn't know why he was being charged with anything. "I heard gunshots and I ran," he said. "I'm innocent."

Brown has a 1 1/2-to-3-year deferred jail sentence pending, which stems from a cocaine-related conviction in January in Hillsborough County Superior Court, according to the prosecutor.

His bail is $2,000 cash/surety. He is to return to court on June 28.

[KBCraig]

In an editorial today, the Union Leader ties the Uptown Tavern shooting together with the Virginia Tech shooting, and points out what a difference legally armed citizens can make.

How many major statewide daily papers carry editorials like this? I love the Union Leader!


Guns on campus: One is one too few

BLACKSBURG, VA., IS a college town surrounded by countryside full of good ole boys who grew up shooting and hunting. Virginia Tech undoubtedly has a good number of experienced marksmen on campus as students, staff members and faculty. If just one of them had been able to retrieve his weapon quickly, there might be only three dead -- the first two victims and the shooter -- instead of 32.

Crazy? Hardly.

Consider the Saturday shooting at the Uptown Tavern in Manchester. Two men, one a Golden Glove boxer, were being tossed from the bar at 12:45 in the morning when the boxer allegedly punched a bouncer in the face. The other man pulled a handgun and started firing at the bouncers and assistant manager.

The gunman fired six shots into the crowded bar before a customer who had come over to help the bouncers whipped out his own handgun and fired back. He hit the shooter twice, disabling him and instantly ending the shooting spree. The only reason that same scenario could not have played out on the Virginia Tech campus is that firearms are banned there.

Predictably, where guns are banned, only those willing to disobey the ban have guns. Law-abiding, rational citizens who might be able to stop a mentally ill or simply cold-blooded killer are left defenseless in the face of a murderer.

"All the school shootings that have ended abruptly in the last 10 years were stopped because a law-abiding citizen -- a potential victim -- had a gun," Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said after the Virginia Tech shooting.

Those that did not end abruptly? No armed citizen was there to stop the massacres.

You can say that one gun on campus is one too many. But it is and always will be impossible to prevent a determined person with ill intent from smuggling one (or more) onto campus. The best defense against such people is to increase the number of armed good guys so that there is always someone nearby able to respond.

[KBCraig]

Some friends in NH have started a "Ken Gage Hero's Reward Fund", to make sure he doesn't go unarmed while police have his gun. I'm assured that he's a good guy, not just "the other shooter".

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=8211.0

Kevin

[Liberty]

Because the incident was at a bar, it would have been illegal in Texas to have been carrying. Bars are a gunfree zone.

[KBCraig]

Because the incident was at a bar, it would have been illegal in Texas to have been carrying. Bars are a gunfree zone.

Yet another reason there should be no such thing as a "(legal) gun free zone".

[seamusTX]

(Out of curiosity, how do you miss a doorway full bouncers six times?)

Lack of practice plus being drunk, I suppose.

Is it legal to carry in a bar in New Hampshire?

- Jim

[Venus Pax]

If he were an employee of the bar and an owner gave permission, I'm sure he was allowed to have it.

[KBCraig]

Here's the list of places that are off limits by NH law:

1. Court rooms







That's it. That's the list.

Kevin

[Popshot]

:

(Out of curiosity, how do you miss a doorway full bouncers six times?)

Inebriation.

[pbandjelly]

Here's the list of places that are off limits by NH law:

1. Court rooms



Kevin

I'm movin' to NH....

[chewy555]

Here's the list of places that are off limits by NH law:

1. Court rooms







That's it. That's the list.

Kevin

Think that we can ever get the list for Texas that short? My wife is about to go back to school, and I would like her to be able to carry when in class.

[KBCraig]

Oh, and I forgot to add that when you "undress" to enter a NH court room, they provide secure storage for you.