carrying in retail stores

[patterson]

if there is no signage on a retail store and you carry inside and store security suspects you are carrying can they do anything and or if they do have signage but you didn't see it cause it wasn't prominately displayed so you could reasonably see it

[Keith B]

if there is no signage on a retail store and you carry inside and store security suspects you are carrying can they do anything and or if they do have signage but you didn't see it cause it wasn't prominately displayed so you could reasonably see it

If it is properly concealed they should never know you are carrying. howevr, a retail store is private property and they can tell you to leave for any reason and have you arrested for tresspassing if you don't.

[cb1000rider]

They can also call law enforcement - which they should probably do anyway, rather than approach you. If the signage is improper or you missed it, you'll get to discuss that with the officer.

[patterson]

They can also call law enforcement - which they should probably do anyway, rather than approach you. If the signage is improper or you missed it, you'll get to discuss that with the officer.

so basically if they have no signage they can ask me to leave with no legal issues to me but if they do have signage but improper or not in a noticeable location that can open to interpatation and you could face legal issues

[patterson]

this is hypothetical and saying if you are properly concealed is bull because you could bend down and when you raise up your shirt that was concealing your weapon could be caught on your grip

[patterson]

also if they have no signs they should expect some customers could be legally packing

[ghostrider]

conceal it, carry it, and don't worry about it.

half the population is glued to their iphones, and the security system is probably connected to youTube anyway.
:-)

[cb1000rider]

so basically if they have no signage they can ask me to leave with no legal issues to me but if they do have signage but improper or not in a noticeable location that can open to interpatation and you could face legal issues

It's private property. They can ask you to leave at any time for any reason.
If the see a firearm, you're doing it wrong.
Can you be prosecuted successfully over improper signage? Maybe. It depends on the judge or jury, but at that point, you've already been substantially punished via an arrest, a record of that arrest, and legal costs.

[patterson]

then to me it sounds risky to carry on'Pivate Property'

[patterson]

they walk you out the door and then hand you the firearm you just purchased at some chain sporting good stores after you purchased it and showed them your CHL so you got to figure if if showed them your CHL its a good assumption that you could be packing and if you walk in the door with a firearm in the box to return to manufacture for problem they are all over you and want to see if its loaded even though barrel is clearly off or it wouldn't fit in box

[patterson]

so basically if they have no signage they can ask me to leave with no legal issues to me but if they do have signage but improper or not in a noticeable location that can open to interpatation and you could face legal issues

It's private property. They can ask you to leave at any time for any reason.
If the see a firearm, you're doing it wrong.
Can you be prosecuted successfully over improper signage? Maybe. It depends on the judge or jury, but at that point, you've already been substantially punished via an arrest, a record of that arrest, and legal costs.

accidents do and will happen

[JR's 12 Valve]

Like everyone else stated, the only thing they can do is ask you to leave.

Texas law is pretty clear on signage, if they aren't following the rules, it won't look to good on their end if you end up going to court.


Then again .... like cb1000rider said, it depends on the officer, and judge.

[asbandr]

Yes, they can ask you to leave if they see your gun. Leave peacefully and it likely won't go any further. True, there may be accidental exposures, but I think if you know your gun, your carry method, your movements, you shouldn't have a lot of situations where your gun can be seen. While you don't want to constantly be pulling on your cover garment, if you know that in this style shirt, this type movement can likely result in this type exposure, adjust accordingly.
Carrying in and of itself is accepting risks. They're are so many anti's just waiting for us to screw up so they have more fuel for their fire. So to protect your rights, know the laws and don't push it. I've been thinking a lot lately about the possible implications of carrying and as a woman I'm always considering the worst case scenario. I think it's important for carriers to realize the seriousness of carrying. If I had to use my gun, whether a display to warn off a threat or firing it, there is a very good chance I could get the short end of the stick and end up in prison. So I have to know the law and train for different scenarios.
If you're concerned about accidentally exposing your gun, carry around at home or have a spotter come out with you until you're more comfortable and confident in your concealment.

[jmra]

If it is properly concealed they should never know you are carrying.

Obey the laws and properly conceal. I carry a G26 IWB just to the inside of my back pocket. You simply cannot tell if I am carrying unless you actually placed your hand on that part of my back.

[Keith B]

this is hypothetical and saying if you are properly concealed is bull because you could bend down and when you raise up your shirt that was concealing your weapon could be caught on your grip

If you're going to play the hypothetical, then they could also see it because they are using x-ray technology to search for all concealed carriers in the store.

If your concealing method is prone to being viewed, then you need to rethink how you are carrying. There are many methods that will highly minimize the risk of your weapon being seen.

And, as stated, if no signage then they can only ask you to leave, its not illegal unless you refuse.