Man accidentally shoots himself without a gun

Wildscar · Post by **Wildscar** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:20 pm

Just when you think you have heard it all.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/whacki ... index.html
Man accidentally shoots himself without a gun

LAKE LUZERNE, New York (AP) -- A young man shot himself without using a gun.

Damion M. Mosher, who put bullets in a vise and whacked them with a hammer to empty the brass shell casings, was hit in the abdomen by one of the shots, authorities said.

Warren County deputies said they were called to Mosher's home in Lake Luzerne on Saturday afternoon after one bullet went about a half-inch into his abdomen. He was treated at Glens Falls Hospital and was released. No charges were filed.

Mosher, 18, told authorities he was trying to empty the .223-caliber rounds to collect the brass casings for scrap.

Sheriff Larry Cleveland said about 100 other rounds that Mosher hit had "fizzled," but one was somehow sent with more force. It was unclear if the bullet ricocheted or hit him directly.

An employee of an Albany scrap metal company told The Post-Star of Glens Falls that the business pays $1.70 a pound for scrap brass shell casings.

Cleveland said Mosher's shells amounted to just a few pounds.

Lake Luzerne, at the southeastern edge of the Adirondacks, is 45 miles north of Albany.

Fourman · Post by **Fourman** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:36 pm

Next NY will ban vises since "they can shoot people"

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:37 pm

Too bad it wasn't a little lower and eliminated him from the gene pool.

A good example, though, of the fact that projectiles do not develop any real velocity without a chamber and barrel, laying to waste the myth of cartridges in a fire. Not to say that cartridges in a fire would not be dangerous, but in my 17 years as a fireman we had the debate many times, about whether the projectiles were whizzing around at the equivalent to muzzle velocity or not.

Having lived and worked in the area, and known a couple of people with that last name, I have to wonder if they're related, considering the circumstance, it would figure.

I mean, after all, everyone knows that the right way to do that is to use a pair of plier and a vice grips while you're sitting in front of the tv sucking down a few beers. Dump the powder some snuff cans to entertain the kids with, and then pop the primers by running the empty cases through your gun while aiming at the cat.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:46 pm

Mythbusters did one about a person using a .22 as a fuse in a vehicle (remember when cars and trucks had fuses?)

They recreated it and using ballistic gel were able to get enough to cause injury. If the bullet struck an artery it could kill. It was a cool experiment.

However, the clips on the fuse box acted to steady the casing, acting as a VERY short barrel.

GrillKing · Post by **GrillKing** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:48 pm

Fourman wrote:Next NY will ban vises since "they can shoot people"

More likely they will institute 'reasonable' vise control laws, where it will have to be locked away in a secure container away from anything that might possible fit between the jaws. It cannot be used within the city, and can only be registered if owned prior to 15 May 2007.

Of course, the politically connected will still be allowed to purchase and use a vise.

Fourman · Post by **Fourman** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:51 pm

HAHAHH

and also only the well connected and LEO would be able to carry a vise.

Brian

Wildscar · Post by **Wildscar** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:00 pm

GrillKing wrote:
Fourman wrote:Next NY will ban vises since "they can shoot people"
More likely they will institute 'reasonable' vise control laws, where it will have to be locked away in a secure container away from anything that might possible fit between the jaws. It cannot be used within the city, and can only be registered if owned prior to 15 May 2007.

Of course, the politically connected will still be allowed to purchase and use a vise.

Great...does that mean we are going to have to get a CVL to carry them inour tool boxes now.

RPBrown · Post by **RPBrown** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:19 pm

Fourman wrote:Next NY will ban vises since "they can shoot people"

Not to mention the ever present assault hammer.

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:09 pm

With the price of ammo these days, it seems like the loaded cartridges would be worth a lot more than the brass

barres · Post by **barres** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:18 pm

Fourman wrote:HAHAHH

and also only the well connected and LEO would be able to carry a vise.

Brian

And now there will be a whole new meaning to "vise cop".

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

KRM45 · Post by **KRM45** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:36 pm

Paladin wrote:With the price of ammo these days, it seems like the loaded cartridges would be worth a lot more than the brass

I was thinking the same thing.

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:37 pm

txinvestigator wrote:Mythbusters did one about a person using a .22 as a fuse in a vehicle (remember when cars and trucks had fuses?)

They recreated it and using ballistic gel were able to get enough to cause injury. If the bullet struck an artery it could kill. It was a cool experiment.

However, the clips on the fuse box acted to steady the casing, acting as a VERY short barrel.

And frequently it was the casing rather than the projectile that did the damage, I enjoy that segment and have it on tape.

TxFire · Post by **TxFire** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:46 pm

On a similar note to this story, my father had once told me that as a kid he held 22 cartridges with pliers while using a lighter to set them off.

I have never encountered any ammunition during a structure fire, but I had always assumed they could do some damage. The story below seems to support my assumption.
http://cms.firehouse.com/content/articl ... 6&id=54345

Fourman · Post by **Fourman** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:53 pm

About 3 years ago I was in a structure fire that had a brick of 22's from what we could guess. We could see them go off with the thermal imager, it was freaky and cool at the same time. After we could see them we stopped to listen and we could hear them go off. For those who have not been in a structure fire fully bunked up, your hearing is not the best due to SCBA sounds and fire itself is very loud.

So when our team saw that it was time to leave very quickly. No one was hurt and the rounds cooked off over just a few minutes.

Brian

The Marshal · Post by **The Marshal** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:05 pm

txinvestigator wrote:Mythbusters did one about a person using a .22 as a fuse in a vehicle (remember when cars and trucks had fuses?)

They recreated it and using ballistic gel were able to get enough to cause injury. If the bullet struck an artery it could kill. It was a cool experiment.

However, the clips on the fuse box acted to steady the casing, acting as a VERY short barrel.

Must we go over this again?
They are not "clips", they are "magazines"

Puhleeeze!

~Bill