NFA Trusts and how does it work?

[maximus2161]

For example I have an AR pistol and a Zavasta M92 pistol and I I have braces for both but dont care to use them with all the legal stuff. Seems to be taking a chance if using a brace. I also have several handguns with threaded barrels and it might be fun to get a supressor down the road for them. So if I wanted to make make my AR and AK pistols SBR's and have suppressors for my handguns how does that work? I dont have a clue.

Do you have to pay a fee for each weapon that is SBR'd or each handgun thats suppressed or just the suppressors themselves? Is it worth doing? And who can help with it?

I hope this is posted in the right subforum.

[Beiruty]

Interesting I am in the same boat will more

[PBratton]

For SBR's, you are licensing the frame, or serial number. In the instance of an AR, once it has the tax stamp, it can be configured for any length barrel, as long as you can return it to it's originally registered setup.

Suppressors should be a one time stamp, no matter what you want to screw it onto.

[GeekwithaGun]

I've just started going down this road as well. First thing is to setup a Gun Trust. In the meantime I will be reading up on the NFA and requirements for an ATF form 1 suppressor build (maybe 2) and then SBR's.

I'll be using the firm of Toronjo & Prosser, who do a ton of gun trusts: http://www.t-plaw.com/nfa-trusts.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Scott B.]

Right, it's one tax stamp per NFA item. If you take your SBR to the range with a suppressor, you'll take copies of both stamps with you.

On the SBR it's the lower that's registered and engraved. As PBratton says that lets you do whatever you want with the upper.

The good thing? The eform process is ridiculously easy.

Just find a good guide, or better yet, a video. I liked this one because it was done recently and was easy to follow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7wpcgUq98" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Once you've done the first one, watch out because it is that easy and those stamps can add up real quick!

Trusts, shop around. I hear good things about these trusts and the price is right.

https://silencerco.com/nfa-trust/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[misterlarry]

Once a person has established a trust, are there any maintenance or renewal fees associated with it or its use? Thanks.

[cb1000rider]

I started to do this stuff too - as fun toys can be provided... Then I figure out that most of this stuff is not transportable across state lines without an application and permit from each state that you'd be traveling through...

Just be aware...

[winters]

you might do a search there is lots of threads about class 3/nfa stuff.

i know it seems very difficult at first but most of the paperwork is done by the dealer.

[winters]

I started to do this stuff too - as fun toys can be provided... Then I figure out that most of this stuff is not transportable across state lines without an application and permit from each state that you'd be traveling through...

Just be aware...

that isnt totally true. I believe for sbr that is partly true though. silencers no.

[rentz]

It's really easy, hardest part of the entire process is getting it engraved gotta find someone local who can do it or ship it off

I had a lawyer setup the trust for me who does a lot of nfa trusts(Chris's bass he's on ar15forum) I didnt want to rely on a standardized form when it comes to atf

Mine took about 6 months but it was before they did eforms

One thing to keep in mind is to build what you will keep. If you build a 7.5 300bo sbr you better keep that upper because you have to be able to restore back to what was registered, length and all ( they require a measurement of entire length of rifle including stock)

One thing to remeber is once you get into registering things with the atf you have to notify them if you move, etc

[The Annoyed Man]

It's really easy, hardest part of the entire process is getting it engraved gotta find someone local who can do it or ship it off

I had a lawyer setup the trust for me who does a lot of nfa trusts(Chris's bass he's on ar15forum) I didnt want to rely on a standardized form when it comes to atf

Mine took about 6 months but it was before they did eforms

One thing to keep in mind is to build what you will keep. If you build a 7.5 300bo sbr you better keep that upper because you have to be able to restore back to what was registered, length and all ( they require a measurement of entire length of rifle including stock)

One thing to remeber is once you get into registering things with the atf you have to notify them if you move, etc

The attorney who did my trust told me that there is a process for notifying BATF of any permanent change to the barrel length of a SBR, if the new length is also an SBR length. I forget the details of how, except that it does NOT involve paying another stamp tax.

[rentz]

It's really easy, hardest part of the entire process is getting it engraved gotta find someone local who can do it or ship it off

I had a lawyer setup the trust for me who does a lot of nfa trusts(Chris's bass he's on ar15forum) I didnt want to rely on a standardized form when it comes to atf

Mine took about 6 months but it was before they did eforms

One thing to keep in mind is to build what you will keep. If you build a 7.5 300bo sbr you better keep that upper because you have to be able to restore back to what was registered, length and all ( they require a measurement of entire length of rifle including stock)

One thing to remeber is once you get into registering things with the atf you have to notify them if you move, etc

The attorney who did my trust told me that there is a process for notifying BATF of any permanent change to the barrel length of a SBR, if the new length is also an SBR length. I forget the details of how, except that it does NOT involve paying another stamp tax.

Good to know, I was basically told pick what you will keep

[CleverNickname]

It's really easy, hardest part of the entire process is getting it engraved gotta find someone local who can do it or ship it off

I had a lawyer setup the trust for me who does a lot of nfa trusts(Chris's bass he's on ar15forum) I didnt want to rely on a standardized form when it comes to atf

Mine took about 6 months but it was before they did eforms

One thing to keep in mind is to build what you will keep. If you build a 7.5 300bo sbr you better keep that upper because you have to be able to restore back to what was registered, length and all ( they require a measurement of entire length of rifle including stock)

One thing to remeber is once you get into registering things with the atf you have to notify them if you move, etc

The attorney who did my trust told me that there is a process for notifying BATF of any permanent change to the barrel length of a SBR, if the new length is also an SBR length. I forget the details of how, except that it does NOT involve paying another stamp tax.

There's no official form, or any legal requirement to inform. You just write the NFA Branch a letter telling them the change, if you want to. You might even get a letter back once they process the change, to inform you it's done.

FWIW, I have an AR15 SBR that started out as a 9mm but is now a 300 BLK, and I took it out of state in May. I hadn't bothered telling the ATF beforehand and wouldn't have bothered in the first place if I wasn't already submitting a 5320.20 to travel with the gun.

[Beiruty]

What is NFA trust? does the firearm stop being my property and would be the property of the trust?