HB 1815--SIGNED INTO LAW 6-15-07!!!

CWOOD · Post by **CWOOD** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:42 pm

This is the vehicle carry bill designed to FINALLY put an end to the shennanigans of DA Rosenthal et al, regarding the lawful carrying of a handgun in a motor vehicle by non-CHL individuals.

You can see a discussion of HB1815 under the "2007 Legislative Session" forum on this site.

This bill even had the endorsement of the TEXAS ACLU. This is really good news for a lot of law abiding folks out there.

NEW LAW TAKES EFFECT 9-1-07

135boomer · Post by **135boomer** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:24 am

That is great! Also long overdue.

bburgi · Post by **bburgi** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:33 am

Very awesome!

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:04 am

I'm going to give a local talk show hosts office a call Monday and see if they would get Chuck Rosenthal to come on the show for a quick comment on this law now...

I believe it would be prudent to get his take on how this sits with him...

This would be KTRH-AM740 the Chris Baker show...

If they get a few calls I am sure Mr. Baker would at least announce on the air about the deal...

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:11 am

It doesn't appear to have been updated online yet. Any idea what happened to HB2112?

CWOOD · Post by **CWOOD** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:26 am

jimlongley wrote:It doesn't appear to have been updated online yet. Any idea what happened to HB2112?

Jim,

I got this from the Governor's website rather than the Legislature's. You can go to:

http://www.governor.state.tx.us/

On the right side of the screen there is an active link box entitled " Bills Signed by the Governor". This was just updated last night. Form there you will be directed to a screen which will post all of the signed bills, both House and Senate.

On the Governor's main page there is also a link to vetoed bills.

nuparadigm · Post by **nuparadigm** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:34 am

stevie_d_64 wrote:I'm going to give a local talk show hosts office a call Monday and see if they would get Chuck Rosenthal to come on the show for a quick comment on this law now...

This is an excellent idea!

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:50 am

jimlongley wrote:It doesn't appear to have been updated online yet. Any idea what happened to HB2112?

The Legislature passed it and sent it to the Governor. I don't think Perry is gonna touch this one. Doesn't matter. It will become law on Sept 1st. The law is meaningless. it just makes illegal activity illegal.

CWOOD · Post by **CWOOD** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:09 pm

Liberty wrote:
jimlongley wrote:It doesn't appear to have been updated online yet. Any idea what happened to HB2112?
The Legislature passed it and sent it to the Governor. I don't think Perry is gonna touch this one. Doesn't matter. It will become law on Sept 1st. The law is meaningless. it just makes illegal activity illegal.

Perhaps I am misreading your comment, but the Governor DID touch it. He signed it into law. He officially endorsed it. That is not unexpected but is no small thing.

I disagree with your comment about it being meaningless. It will be VERY meaningful for the average law abiding citizens found to be in possession of a handgun who are without the resources to fight against what have been unfortunate and wrongful prosecutions or other intimidating actions by misguided and stubborn prosecutors. I think it is BIG thing indeed by removing any ambiguity on which these prosecutors have hung their respective hats.

Again, perhaps I have misread your comments. In any case, no offense intended.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:17 pm

CWOOD wrote:
Liberty wrote:
jimlongley wrote:It doesn't appear to have been updated online yet. Any idea what happened to HB2112?
The Legislature passed it and sent it to the Governor. I don't think Perry is gonna touch this one. Doesn't matter. It will become law on Sept 1st. The law is meaningless. it just makes illegal activity illegal.
Perhaps I am misreading your comment, but the Governor DID touch it. He signed it into law. He officially endorsed it. That is not unexpected but is no small thing.

I disagree with your comment about it being meaningless. It will be VERY meaningful for the average law abiding citizens found to be in possession of a handgun who are without the resources to fight against what have been unfortunate and wrongful prosecutions or other intimidating actions by misguided and stubborn prosecutors. I think it is BIG thing indeed by removing any ambiguity on which these prosecutors have hung their respective hats.

Again, perhaps I have misread your comments. In any case, no offense intended.

There is no offense taken, but there some misunderstanding here.
We surely aren't talking about the same thing? I clearly was refering to comments about HB 2112 which is the school parking lot bill. It looks like you are confused between HB2112 and HB1815. HB1815 is indeed a significant bill. I searched the governors Web site and I could find no reference to his signing it (HB2112). The initial bill was anti gun. Got modified into a neutral bill. Other than as an example of legislative manauvering it's not a very interesting bill/law for most of us, at least I don't think so.

flintknapper · Post by **flintknapper** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:59 pm

Liberty wrote:
Other than as an example of legislative manauvering it's not a very interesting bill/law for most of us, at least I don't think so.

Ditto.

CWOOD · Post by **CWOOD** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:29 pm

Liberty wrote: There is no offense taken, but there some misunderstanding here.
.

OOPS!!

Boy! did I mess that one up. Perhaps I needed just one more cup of coffee this morning....or perhaps one fewer.

Anyway, in answer to your question about HB2112, the Governor did sign it. Here is a portion of the list from his webpage:

http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisio ... rt:int=480

It would seem that we are in agreement on BOTH bills. One was really great and the other was an exercise in feel-goodism by some one with no real clue. All the things outlawed by HB2112 are already so, as you correctly pointed out earlier.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:00 pm

CWOOD wrote:[
Anyway, in answer to your question about HB2112, the Governor did sign it. Here is a portion of the list from his webpage:

http://www.governor.state.tx.us/divisio ... rt:int=480

It would seem that we are in agreement on BOTH bills. One was really great and the other was an exercise in feel-goodism by some one with no real clue. All the things outlawed by HB2112 are already so, as you correctly pointed out earlier.

Hmm. I couldn't find it (HB2112) as a signed bill earlier today. But it sure is there now right where you said it was. I was believing that Gov. Perry just didn't care one way or the other. Which is an understandable position. While the real implications of HB2112 aren't that interesting, I do find the maneuvering and trickery involving HB2112 pretty fascinating. It's a good example of how our Legislative process works.

HB1815 is not just a good law for us, but I think it might be even more significant than what is initially apparent.

It essentially puts Chuck Rosenthal on the carpet, and calls into question his judgement as a lawyer. (maybe I'm watching to much Nifong today)

It could have an effect on the number of CHL applications either way.

I think it might allow us to keep otherwise illegal knives and guns in our autos.

What does the travelling law really mean anymore? I think one thing it might mean is if one is driving distance and places a handgun on the front exposed they are within the law.

We will be discussing and trying to figure out the implications of this for quite a while.

seamusTX · Post by **seamusTX** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:09 pm

Liberty wrote:What does the travelling law really mean anymore?

There are other ways of traveling than in a privately owned motor vehicle. People run, walk, and ride bicycles and horses for amazingly long distances. Not many, but some do it.

Common carriers are pretty much off-limits because of their contractual rules.

- Jim

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:10 pm

Liberty wrote:While the real implications of HB2112 aren't that interesting, I do find the maneuvering and trickery involving HB2112 pretty fascinating. It's a good example of how our Legislative process works.

HB1815 is not just a good law for us, but I think it might be even more significant than what is initially apparent.

It essentially puts Chuck Rosenthal on the carpet, and calls into question his judgement as a lawyer. (maybe I'm watching to much Nifong today)

It could have an effect on the number of CHL applications either way.

I think it might allow us to keep otherwise illegal knives and guns in our autos.

What does the travelling law really mean anymore? I think one thing it might mean is if one is driving distance and places a handgun on the front exposed they are within the law.

We will be discussing and trying to figure out the implications of this for quite a while.

My viewpoint on 2112 has to do with some of the "other" community I am involved with. My wife works in a school as a "para-professional" and we associate with lots of other school employees, both teachers and support staff. My wife's school district has chosen to post (non-compliant) 30.06 signage, which is somewhat disturbing to those who have CHLs.

My contention initially was that since the signs were non-compliant, they should be able to be ignored, but as some here have pointed out, there is always that "intent" thing to worry about. Having talked to some of the "officials" in the school district I feel that they are likely to persue prosecution of anyone caught carrying under the authority of the CHL statutes, they even deny that their signs are not compliant - seems to me that they can't read.

Of course many of us consider postings by ISDs under 46.03/46.035, but others see ISDs as "independent" and therefore not covered by the change in the law as of 2003.

Yes, 2112 is mostly a feel good bill and has little meaning to the vast majority of CHL holders, but combine it with 1815 and eliminate those questionable 30.06 signs and we have school employees and visitors who can feel comfortable taking guns to the school parking lots, where history has shown they can make positive contributions in stopping potential school massacres.

2112 as originally submitted would have been horrible, and if just defeated would probably have been resubmitted with the same or similar language, but as passed it got the support of the teachers' organizations and may serve to defuse future efforts in that direction.