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Campus Carry at UNT

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I'm a staff member at UNT and I've been working on an open letter that I would like to send to the president of UNT, Neal Smatresk, in support of campus carry, and opposing restrictions that could be put in place on our campus. I figured it was something that I could do to support the rights of all Texans who conduct their every day lives on a campus of higher education, specifically at UNT in Denton.

As our friends in Austin have noted, UT has opened up an official venue for feedback from their community and formed a committee for input from the campus community on their rules. To my knowledge, UNT has taken no such steps at this time.

If I may be so bold, I would like to ask that the members here give my letter a read and let me know your thoughts. I don't want to make any major edits unless there is something that is outright incorrect, to ensure that it remains an original work of mine when presented, and not challenged as something written by people who may or may not be a part of the UNT community.

EDIT - If you read here, the rest of the thread down to about post 10 wont make much sense. The linked letter here is edited after feedback on length of the original long winded letter.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10nY ... edit?pli=1

Thanks all! :txflag:
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I stopped reading less than half way through. That should tell you something.

If you can't make your point in one page, two at the most, you will lose most people, especially the very busy President of a university who most likely doesn't support your position to begin with.
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Thanks for the direct feedback. I was afraid it was long, however it's difficult for me to articulate all my points in much less space. I have gotten that bit of feedback from a couple other people as well and will probably look at trimming some more fat off of it, if indeed I send it up...
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Ask yourself this question. What is the President least likely to know already. You can bet he's at least familiar with the changes in the law, because he has to prepare for the creation of new rules. So, you can cut out anything having to do with the law other than a cursory "with the upcoming changes in the law, I wanted to give you some things to think about". Then think about what is he least likely to know that might arrest his attention. For example, "did you know that licensed Texas gun owners are 17 times less likely to commit any crime than the average citizen?" BTW, CHL holders are not "some of the most law-abiding". They are BY FAR the most law-abiding - even more law abiding than law enforcement. Don't water down the important points and don't be afraid to highlight the positives. For example, "are you aware that Colorado State University has allowed concealed carry on campus since 2003 and has not had a single incident in the past 12 years involving a licensed carrier?" Rather than citing multiple examples of positive incidents with concealed carriers, tell him you'd be happy to share those with him in a meeting, if he desires to hear them. Rather than citing multiple incidents where a concealed carrier might have change the outcome of a shooting, point out that the first few moments of a serious incident are the most critical, and those are the same moments when the police are not on the scene.

You want the letter to be brief, extremely hard hitting and to the point. Otherwise he'll likely not read the whole thing and you'll lose your opportunity to gain his ear.

Something like this:
Dear Dr. Smatresk. I'm sure with the recent changes in Texas law regarding campus carry, that you have begun considering carefully how UNT will comply while maintaining a safe campus. Therefore, I wanted to give you my input for consideration as a licensed carrier. I don't know if you are aware of it, but Texas licensed carriers have an admirable record in the 20 years since the law was first passed. In fact, according to DPS statistics, they are 17 times less likely to commit any crime than every other citizen in the state. Their record is so admirable that it's even better than Texas law enforcement!

There is evidence that you can access that should give you some comfort when considering where on campus carrying should be allowed. Colorado State University has allowed campus carry since 2003, and to date they have not had a single incident involving a licensed carrier. Colorado, Utah and Idaho have all allowed campus carry for years, and none of the campuses have ever had an incident involving a licensed carrier.

I would be happy to discuss with you other statistics that argue that allowing campus carry will contribute to a safer environment at UNT.

Cordially, John Doe
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TexasJohnBoy,

I applaud your effort.

That said, I too found your letter more a novella...

Please, edit it if you want it to be read.
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Might consider editing or removing the statistics on accidental shootings for one. The first thing that came to mind after reading that section is, one death is too many. And you can bet that's what would be used by those not happy about LTC on campus. Statistics only work when it fits their agenda.
A very interesting read for sure. It's not all that condescending either.
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The greatest writer of English in history said this, which might be instructive:
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Take your time, edit, pare, rewrite, to be most effective. Persuasive writing is the most difficult. You have to make every word count.
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As a UNT alumnus married to a UNT alumna (from the days when it was NTSU), one of the best and most important classes I took there was Technical Writing. The key element taught was if you cannot get your point across in one page, upper management would not read it. You can always provide more information later in follow-up, but the original point must be made quickly and intelligibly. Most upper management does not really understand technical intricacies just like most university administrators don't understand firearms. I know these are broad generalities, but they are right much more than they are wrong.

Be polite, be professional, and be brief.

Good luck with your efforts.
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If it doesn't add too much content, you might also try to include a couple of positive facts of truth that could dispel rumors and untrue comments made by the anti crowd. If worded right, you could do this without mentioning any one group or quoting them. The TLO website has recordings of the hearings for SB11 where you can hear comments from the anti's. Just an idea. Like the other posters said, don't make it too long. Cut to the chase and get some points over. If the readers of your letter are really interested in it, they might get the clue that they should get some people interviewed similar to what UT is doing.
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I recommend googling "white paper". This format is famiiar to upper level executives. The key element in a white paper is that your conclusion or recommendation comes first. Then you support it below that.
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Thanks for the input everyone. I will work on trimming this up and getting to the point quicker.

Edit - unshared the document and trimming it up...
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Alright, I tossed a lot out. I've kept the Novella though as a separate piece that may be used, part or whole, or something else supporting our cause. Please take a look at this version, and let me know your thoughts on Rev 2. I appreciate it everyone. Original link should still work.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10nY ... edit?pli=1
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I think that is excellent, well argued, to the point and accurate. I expect you at least get a polite response from Dr. Smatresk, if not an invitation to discuss the issue further.
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Thanks for your input baldeagle! I do appreciate the quick and honest feedback. :tiphat:
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The East Texan, the "student news site of Texas A&M-Commerce" is running a campus carry poll.

Possible choices are (paraphrased) "Terrible - Return to Wild West", "Doesn't make a difference", "Great, Constitutional Right" and "What's campus carry?"

Right now "Terrible" has 8 votes, "Doesn't Make a Diff" has 1, and (thanks to someone on this board) "Great" has one.

If you are so inclined, it is at the bottom of the home page at this moment: http://tamuceasttexan.com/

I know this is the UNT thread, but figured no one would mind telling the Aggies a thing or two. :mrgreen:
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