rebuffing the 30.06 postings - take a stand!

[Feed&Guns]

I just had a stroke of genius...maybe.

My wife is taking her aunt to the medical center on a regular basis. She was in a near fatal accident with an uninsured driver. There is quite an indigent population that hangs out just a block or two from the parking garage (Fannin/Cambridge area by the zoo). Today, some guy approached my wife and her uncle and asked for money (apparently in or around the hospital). She said “no” and then he went on to tell her how she must be a republican and she’s some rich white bitch. Her uncle then pulled out his wallet and only had 100s and my wife told him to put his wallet away.

My first thought was “where was your gun?” My second thought was “Oh ya, they have the 30.06 posting at the hospital so it was in your car.”

So that got me to thinking. Many of these hospitals have the signs posted and many are in areas I would normally really want to have my gun (I have it with me all the time anyway, so that’s a bit rhetorical). What we CHL holders should do is insist that hospital security walk us to our cars because we don’t feel safe. It’s a dark, unsecured garage very near the vagabonds. Imagine if we asked for a security escort to our car and they refused…and then we got assaulted or mugged! HUGE lawsuit. So they walk us to our car and eventually they ask why they’re doing that. We explain that in any other location, we are allowed to defend ourselves but the hospital has usurped that privilege (I mean, right) and therefore incurs a responsibility to replace that sense of safety.

In fact, I believe I remember that you are allowed to have your gun at work unless your employer has a “no guns” policy. And if he denies your right, then he has an added bit of liability to provide protection for you. I forget if that was in our CHL class or some legal article I read, but I’ve heard that before. Same should apply to hospitals and others posting the 30.06 signs.

Eventually, maybe these 30.06 postings will start to come down. When people realize the burden they place on themselves having to take the extra step to ensure our safety, perhaps they’ll rethink the “responsible citizen” issue. If you are refusing my right to protect myself, then perhaps you should protect me in exchange.

I can imagine the news headlines if it became an issue. And imagine the headlines if the story was "Woman Gets Raped After Hospital Refuses Security Escort". It'd take just one multi-million dollar lawsuit to change their tune.

I'm just surprised my wife and her uncle didn't get jumped after he foolishly flashed that cash.

[EEllis]

They will be happy to escort people to their car. This wouldn't be an issue regardless of 30.06 and they will never even think to ask why. That is part of their job and as a matter of fact the more escorts the better because it justifies their job.

[Jim Beaux]

I was in the hospital & security was very good about escorting my wife to the car, as they also escort the staff - but you did give me an idea.

TWC in Port Arthur has 30.06 posted. I had problems with a modem & tech support told me to go and pick up a new one. I told them I wasnt allowed in the office because of the 30.06 & insisted that they either send a tech out with it or via overnight UPS (which they did)

In the future I will politely request a security escort from businesses that has 30.06 posted. Also Ive been waiting for the opportunity to visit my local ford dealer who has a 30.06...and when the salesman tries to get me to come in to work a deal, Im gonna have to explain that Im BANNED!

[Dad24GreatKids]

In fact, I believe I remember that you are allowed to have your gun at work unless your employer has a “no guns” policy. And if he denies your right, then he has an added bit of liability to provide protection for you. I forget if that was in our CHL class or some legal article I read, but I’ve heard that before. Same should apply to hospitals and others posting the 30.06 signs.

I am interested in hearing where you heard about the extra liability. I know that this is something that many of us would like to see implemented, but I am not aware of any law that backs this up in Texas.

[VMI77]

His guilting attempt wouldn't have fared well with me. I'd have told him, quite the contrary, I'm a life-long Democrat and I love exploiting useful idiots such as yourself, and I want to thank you for making me rich beyond my wildest dreams.

[locke_n_load]

His guilting attempt wouldn't have fared well with me. I'd have told him, quite the contrary, I'm a life-long Democrat and I love exploiting useful idiots such as yourself, and I want to thank you for making me rich beyond my wildest dreams.

Nice haha.

[Feed&Guns]

In fact, I believe I remember that you are allowed to have your gun at work unless your employer has a “no guns” policy. And if he denies your right, then he has an added bit of liability to provide protection for you. I forget if that was in our CHL class or some legal article I read, but I’ve heard that before. Same should apply to hospitals and others posting the 30.06 signs.

I am interested in hearing where you heard about the extra liability. I know that this is something that many of us would like to see implemented, but I am not aware of any law that backs this up in Texas.

I know I heard or read it, but it might just be "legal theory" until it is tested in court. In principle, though, I'd say if you're denying my right to protect myself, it's logical that you'd incur a responsibility for my safety.

This is by no means an authority, but in my bit of research I found some similar discussion (this from Ohio):

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/what-bus ... -about-ccw
By having a policy banning firearms from employee's cars in parking lots, a business might in fact waive their immunity, in the event an employee is attacked on their way to or from work. Only by NOT having a policy can a business be ceratain it has immunity, since "ommission cannot be malicious".

...after about 20 minutes of searching, I can only find vague theory related to the incurred liability. I guess it's something that hasn't been tested in court yet. So, perhaps, instead of me hearing or reading a definitive ruling assigning liability to a business who denies their employees rights, perhaps it was more of a thought provoking discussion.

But, I hope I'm on the jury for the civil wrongful death suit when it does come up. "My husband Henry, and four others, might be alive right now if XYZ Corp would have let him carry his lawful firearm when Crazy Eddie went postal and shot up the HR department!"

[Medley86]

I was in the hospital & security was very good about escorting my wife to the car, as they also escort the staff - but you did give me an idea.

TWC in Port Arthur has 30.06 posted. I had problems with a modem & tech support told me to go and pick up a new one. I told them I wasnt allowed in the office because of the 30.06 & insisted that they either send a tech out with it or via overnight UPS (which they did)

In the future I will politely request a security escort from businesses that has 30.06 posted. Also Ive been waiting for the opportunity to visit my local ford dealer who has a 30.06...and when the salesman tries to get me to come in to work a deal, Im gonna have to explain that Im BANNED!

I know exactly which one you are talking about, I didn't even stop there to look at trucks in April specifically because of those signs. My mother has bought quite a few Toyotas from the one next door, same sign, but I was never with her when I had CHL.

[winters]

I worked in TMC for 8 years. During that time i walked around the whole place doing tech support. Their is TONS of homeless and weirdos in the medical center. You need to watch your back once in awhile there. Trust me TMC security is not what i would call "good". They will however escort you to your car if you ask. Any person asking for money there should be ignore. A lot of them will shout profanities and whatever at you. I have personally seen several brought under control by hpd with their tazers. Their is one over infront of methodist that will yell at you for not giving him money. I would atleast carry mace with you anytime walking around TMC.

The main grouping of homeless is over between hermann,ben taub and the zoo. There is a church right there at cambridge and fannin that feeds the homeless there all day so they congregate. Thats why you can't enjoy the park over there because of that church. You also need to watch out because the most jay walkers are over there and do not care if you hit them.

[winters]

I just had a stroke of genius...maybe.

My wife is taking her aunt to the medical center on a regular basis. She was in a near fatal accident with an uninsured driver. There is quite an indigent population that hangs out just a block or two from the parking garage (Fannin/Cambridge area by the zoo).

Blame it on the church that feeds them all day that is on the corner of fannin and cambridge.They also run a day care out of that place i would never send a child there.

I know some liberal is going to tell me that the homeless are just down on their luck. The fact is a very large portion of them are mentally unstable.