Federal LEO, Texas residents, LTC

[Scott B.]

I know Texas Peace Officers are able to skip the CHL-100/class requirement and submit a range certification (or equivalent, I'm still a little unclear on that), and that Retired Federal Officers get the $25 discount, but still have the class requirement.

What break/benefit, if any, is there for currently serving Federal Officers who are Texas residents.

Thanks,

[Solaris]

I know Texas Peace Officers are able to skip the CHL-100/class requirement and submit a range certification (or equivalent, I'm still a little unclear on that), and that Retired Federal Officers get the $25 discount, but still have the class requirement.

What break/benefit, if any, is there for currently serving Federal Officers who are Texas residents.

Thanks,

Texas is very LEO friendly. You can pretty much carry anywhere.

A Texas LTC will give you NICS exemption, and covers you in Federal Gun free School Zones (which you do not need as a currently serving FLEO).

[ScottDLS]

I know Texas Peace Officers are able to skip the CHL-100/class requirement and submit a range certification (or equivalent, I'm still a little unclear on that), and that Retired Federal Officers get the $25 discount, but still have the class requirement.

What break/benefit, if any, is there for currently serving Federal Officers who are Texas residents.

Thanks,

Texas is very LEO friendly. You can pretty much carry anywhere.

A Texas LTC will give you NICS exemption, and covers you in Federal Gun free School Zones (which you do not need as a currently serving FLEO).

It will cover you while off duty in a school zone in Texas which GFSZA technically prohibits.

[16Adams]

Active and Honorably Retired qualify for LEOSA concealed carry nationwide- with a lot of restrictions and territorial interpretation. Google LEOSA lots of information out there. The LTC will get you some places LEOSA won't.
One website refers to multiple LTC "permission slips" to carry as a "grand jury kit".

I was stopped recently and displayed my LEOSA credentials and the young officer wasn't familiar- but he did understand LTC.

[Solaris]

I know Texas Peace Officers are able to skip the CHL-100/class requirement and submit a range certification (or equivalent, I'm still a little unclear on that), and that Retired Federal Officers get the $25 discount, but still have the class requirement.

What break/benefit, if any, is there for currently serving Federal Officers who are Texas residents.

Thanks,

Texas is very LEO friendly. You can pretty much carry anywhere.

A Texas LTC will give you NICS exemption, and covers you in Federal Gun free School Zones (which you do not need as a currently serving FLEO).

It will cover you while off duty in a school zone in Texas which GFSZA technically prohibits.

As a current FLEO he does not need that protection.

[Solaris]

Active and Honorably Retired qualify for LEOSA concealed carry nationwide- with a helluva lot of restrictions and territorial interpretation. Google LEOSA lots of information out there. The LTC will get you some places LEOSA won't.
One website refers to multiple LTC "permission slips" to carry as a "grand jury kit".

I was stopped recently and displayed my LEOSA credentials and the young officer wasn't familiar- but he did understand LTC.

He implied he was a current FLEO. That gives him more carry rights than LTC, LEOSA. He has full 46.02, 46.03 and 30.05 protection. Can pretty much go anywhere without restriction, including Flying While Armed.

[ScottDLS]

I know Texas Peace Officers are able to skip the CHL-100/class requirement and submit a range certification (or equivalent, I'm still a little unclear on that), and that Retired Federal Officers get the $25 discount, but still have the class requirement.

What break/benefit, if any, is there for currently serving Federal Officers who are Texas residents.

Thanks,

Texas is very LEO friendly. You can pretty much carry anywhere.

A Texas LTC will give you NICS exemption, and covers you in Federal Gun free School Zones (which you do not need as a currently serving FLEO).

It will cover you while off duty in a school zone in Texas which GFSZA technically prohibits.

As a current FLEO he does not need that protection.

Where does it say that in 18 USC 922q ? A "Special Investigator" (Texas term for FLEO) is not licensed by the State and say picking his kid up from school while off-duty, is arguably not "acting in his or her official capacity".

Remember this is the ATF that interprets GFSZA as it being a felony for anyone in Vermont to drive through a school zone armed, except on duty cops.

US 922g
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the
possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school
grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is
licensed to do so by the State in which the
school zone is located or a political subdivision
of the State,
...
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in
his or her official capacity; or

[16Adams]

Active and Honorably Retired qualify for LEOSA concealed carry nationwide- with a helluva lot of restrictions and territorial interpretation. Google LEOSA lots of information out there. The LTC will get you some places LEOSA won't.
One website refers to multiple LTC "permission slips" to carry as a "grand jury kit".

I was stopped recently and displayed my LEOSA credentials and the young officer wasn't familiar- but he did understand LTC.

He implied he was a current FLEO. That gives him more carry rights than LTC, LEOSA. He has full 46.02, 46.03 and 30.05 protection. Can pretty much go anywhere without restriction, including Flying While Armed.

You obviously know more than me. At one time (guess my time has passed) not all FLEO's were considered/classified as Texas Peace Officers. You obviously know something I don't, so I shall go.

[ScottDLS]

Active and Honorably Retired qualify for LEOSA concealed carry nationwide- with a helluva lot of restrictions and territorial interpretation. Google LEOSA lots of information out there. The LTC will get you some places LEOSA won't.
One website refers to multiple LTC "permission slips" to carry as a "grand jury kit".

I was stopped recently and displayed my LEOSA credentials and the young officer wasn't familiar- but he did understand LTC.

He implied he was a current FLEO. That gives him more carry rights than LTC, LEOSA. He has full 46.02, 46.03 and 30.05 protection. Can pretty much go anywhere without restriction, including Flying While Armed.

You obviously know more than me. At one time (guess my time has passed) not all FLEO's were considered/classified as Texas Peace Officers. You obviously know something I don't, so I shall go.

See my post above. FLEO's are not licensed by the State of Texas any more than a Florida non-res CHL is regardless of whether they are considered Special Investigators/Peace Officers in PC 46, a FLEO carrying off duty in a school zone is violating 18 USC 922g (GFSZA).

[Solaris]

Active and Honorably Retired qualify for LEOSA concealed carry nationwide- with a helluva lot of restrictions and territorial interpretation. Google LEOSA lots of information out there. The LTC will get you some places LEOSA won't.
One website refers to multiple LTC "permission slips" to carry as a "grand jury kit".

I was stopped recently and displayed my LEOSA credentials and the young officer wasn't familiar- but he did understand LTC.

He implied he was a current FLEO. That gives him more carry rights than LTC, LEOSA. He has full 46.02, 46.03 and 30.05 protection. Can pretty much go anywhere without restriction, including Flying While Armed.

You obviously know more than me. At one time (guess my time has passed) not all FLEO's were considered/classified as Texas Peace Officers. You obviously know something I don't, so I shall go.

Correct, almost none are. They have their own class, Special Investigator.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt he met the qualifications of a Special Investigator.

[Solaris]

I know Texas Peace Officers are able to skip the CHL-100/class requirement and submit a range certification (or equivalent, I'm still a little unclear on that), and that Retired Federal Officers get the $25 discount, but still have the class requirement.

What break/benefit, if any, is there for currently serving Federal Officers who are Texas residents.

Thanks,

Texas is very LEO friendly. You can pretty much carry anywhere.

A Texas LTC will give you NICS exemption, and covers you in Federal Gun free School Zones (which you do not need as a currently serving FLEO).

It will cover you while off duty in a school zone in Texas which GFSZA technically prohibits.

As a current FLEO he does not need that protection.

Where does it say that in 18 USC 922q ? A "Special Agent" (Texas term for FLEO) is not licensed by the State and say picking his kid up from school while off-duty, is arguably not "acting in his or her official capacity".

Correct. It is not specified in the law. How funny it would be to see an ATF agent arrest himself when picking up his kid. Anyway that oversight was corrected in the implementing regulations. AFAIK, it is NOT corrected for LEOSA, so those folks are still not allowed to carry.

[ScottDLS]

Correct. It is not specified in the law. How funny it would be to see an ATF agent arrest himself when picking up his kid. Anyway that oversight was corrected in the implementing regulations. AFAIK, it is NOT corrected for LEOSA, so those folks are still not allowed to carry.

Interesting. Where can one find in the CFR? And did ATF correct it for off-duty State LEO's?

And what was their statutory authority in 18 USC 922 to interpret away the requirement...maybe the same one that interpreted OOS licenses as not valid in GFSZ...

[Solaris]

Correct. It is not specified in the law. How funny it would be to see an ATF agent arrest himself when picking up his kid. Anyway that oversight was corrected in the implementing regulations. AFAIK, it is NOT corrected for LEOSA, so those folks are still not allowed to carry.

Interesting. Where can one find in the CFR? And did ATF correct it for off-duty State LEO's?

And what was their statutory authority in 18 USC 922 to interpret away the requirement...maybe the same one that interpreted OOS licenses as not valid in GFSZ...

Not sure if it is the CFR or other guidelines. As I recall we were told "you are acting in official capacity if you are authorized to carry a firearm and make an arrest." So if as long as you were not suspended or whatever you were GTG. I assume this interpretation applies to state LEOs but do not know.

Agency rule making authority is covered in the USC Title 5, I think.

[The Annoyed Man]

I know Texas Peace Officers are able to skip the CHL-100/class requirement and submit a range certification (or equivalent, I'm still a little unclear on that), and that Retired Federal Officers get the $25 discount, but still have the class requirement.

What break/benefit, if any, is there for currently serving Federal Officers who are Texas residents.

Thanks,

Texas is very LEO friendly. You can pretty much carry anywhere.

A Texas LTC will give you NICS exemption, and covers you in Federal Gun free School Zones (which you do not need as a currently serving FLEO).

It will cover you while off duty in a school zone in Texas which GFSZA technically prohibits.

GFSZA

That didn't take long.

[ScottDLS]

But do you really want to be the "test case" ?