“I know now that I cannot count on police,” she said. “I’m very afraid. I was always thinking I’m very safe with the police, but after what happened with Bill, I am not safe.
This happened in Broward county. Is the whole establishing a perimeter SOP for them when it comes to dealing with an active threat? They certainly have a track record of doing this.
Remember folks; When seconds count, police are only minutes away....hopefully.
It's hard to describe my feelings about this story. But it confirms what I have told my family and friends for a while now. Police action is almost always after the crime. Rarely do they intervene while a crime is actually happening. Your own safety is in your hands. You better be prepared.
When my sister started working as a 911 operator, she was telling us about how calls are prioritised. She looked at me and said "I'm not going to get an 'in progress' call from you?" I said "Nope. Will call you when the cleanup is needed."
And this is the guy that replaced the guy who was sheriff when BCSO had the pitiful response to the Parkland high school shooting. Sure know how to pick'em for Broward County.
And this is the guy that replaced the guy who was sheriff when BCSO had the pitiful response to the Parkland high school shooting. Sure know how to pick'em for Broward County.
Liberals hiring liberals!
Government, like fire is a dangerous servant and a fearful master
If you ain't paranoid you ain't paying attention
Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here- John Parker
eyedoc wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:07 pm
In defense of the police, what would happen to them if the wild man got hurt while being arrested?
Using that logic, police should never arrest anyone who resists.
I don't think that is a defense for what the police did in this situation. It seems like they took the posture of not being responsible for stopping a crime in progress. If that is how they are being trained, there is no reason for any of the police to be armed. One does not need a firearm to wait until the danger has passed and walk in to make a report.When I first read this post I thought it may have been sarcasm. If a criminal gets himself killed while breaking the law, it is on them. Not the police.
I cannot condone what the police are reported to have done in this case. I definitely do not condone the way this department's representatives handled the school shooting a couple years ago (if they had done their job correctly then we would not have to hear about what Hogg is saying now).
But there has long been a saying in law enforcement that no one gets in trouble for doing nothing. In San Antonio, only the bad (IMO) cops said this and took it seriously but it does look like it is more common in Broward County. And, given the media and much of the noisier public uproar in recent months, this has become a much more common attitude in law enforcement. Eyedoc's question is on the minds of a lot of police officers every day right now, and for very good reason. If the subject had been injured, what would have happened to the officers? Who would have defended them for their actions if they had been forced to shoot the suspect?
This might explain part of the problem of in our society and how the violence is skyrocketing in many liberal oriented cities right now.
srothstein wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:31 pm
I cannot condone what the police are reported to have done in this case. I definitely do not condone the way this department's representatives handled the school shooting a couple years ago (if they had done their job correctly then we would not have to hear about what Hogg is saying now).
But there has long been a saying in law enforcement that no one gets in trouble for doing nothing. In San Antonio, only the bad (IMO) cops said this and took it seriously but it does look like it is more common in Broward County. And, given the media and much of the noisier public uproar in recent months, this has become a much more common attitude in law enforcement. Eyedoc's question is on the minds of a lot of police officers every day right now, and for very good reason. If the subject had been injured, what would have happened to the officers? Who would have defended them for their actions if they had been forced to shoot the suspect?
This might explain part of the problem of in our society and how the violence is skyrocketing in many liberal oriented cities right now.
Sad state of affairs we have in America these days.
It looks like Broward puts more effort into finessing press releases than it does in providing emergency responses to citizens in danger. Eighteen officers gathered at one location out of sight of where the incident is occurring is not a perimeter.
In my county it takes one deputy to resolve an incident like this with an arrest - and right quick at that. If a deputy wasn't available the neighbors would stabilize the situation until one could arrive.
Broward is badly in need of a major overhaul by a courageous leader who knows what he's doing.
Excaliber
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
eyedoc wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:07 pm
In defense of the police, what would happen to them if the wild man got hurt while being arrested?
Using that logic, police should never arrest anyone who resists.
I think that is where we are heading with the restrictions being placed on them. Besides, if they are arrested, they will just be released with no bail.
eyedoc wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:50 am
I think that is where we are heading with the restrictions being placed on them. Besides, if they are arrested, they will just be released with no bail.
Eventually they'll just send a social worker out to sit down with the intruder and discuss his feelings.
Lynyrd wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:43 am
It's hard to describe my feelings about this story. But it confirms what I have told my family and friends for a while now. Police action is almost always after the crime. Rarely do they intervene while a crime is actually happening. Your own safety is in your hands. You better be prepared.
It's the cop's job to draw the chalk outline.
It's your job to make sure it's not YOUR outline.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams
Lynyrd wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:43 am
It's hard to describe my feelings about this story. But it confirms what I have told my family and friends for a while now. Police action is almost always after the crime. Rarely do they intervene while a crime is actually happening. Your own safety is in your hands. You better be prepared.
