OH: Another "good kid" killed trying to rob CCW holder

[jmra]

The real culprit here is the shoe manufacturer. By not giving the shoes to disadvantaged kids they left this poor child with no alternative. I know they are in business to make a profit but they could do so by charging those who can afford the shoes a much higher rate in order to subsidize the free shoes program.
I think the family of the victim (dead child) should sue.

[Jumping Frog]

Coverage from another news source.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shoes.html

You can count on the dailymail.co.uk to always run any article that can paint American gun usage in a negative light.

[Dad24GreatKids]

Coverage from another news source.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shoes.html

You can count on the dailymail.co.uk to always run any article that can paint American gun usage in a negative light.

That seems to be their normal editorial slant. I thought this article was actually a good one. Seemed to be fact based, no editorializing, no inflammatory language.

[suthdj]

makes ya wonder did this guy have the funds to even afford the shoes? Cash on hand or ATM/Credit card no mention of that anywhere.

[OldCurlyWolf]

I figure the only mistake the CHL made was only shooting once.

You jokingly say that, but when it comes down to the GJ and appearance of self defense, one of the things that always comes out is 'Why did he shoot so many times'. In this case, the other robbers ran, so there was no threat from them. And, apparently the one shot stopped the threat, so no additional rounds were needed. This should be pretty clean unless there is something we are not hearing about.

My muscle memory in stress situations is Double Tap. Second round is out less than one second after the first. Most people will barely begin to react that fast unless you have hit the brain stem.

[Jumping Frog]

I figure the only mistake the CHL made was only shooting once.

You jokingly say that, but when it comes down to the GJ and appearance of self defense, one of the things that always comes out is 'Why did he shoot so many times'. In this case, the other robbers ran, so there was no threat from them. And, apparently the one shot stopped the threat, so no additional rounds were needed.

All joking aside, my mental visualizations while practicing do not include "shoot once, pause to see if it stopped the threat ...".

Keeping in mind that you react how you practice, my mental visualizations during practice have me first deciding, "yes, I need to shoot". Then, continuing to shoot until either the weapon is dropped or the perp is dropped. If I have to shoot in the first place, I do not want to train myself to shoot once, or shoot a doubletap, or a doubletap and one to the head, or anything else resembling a routine. For all I know, it will take 3 or 5 or 8 or whatever number of hits to stop the threat.

That is how I practice, an irregular number of hits while mentally asking myself, "is the threat stopped".

[drjoker]

He didn't want to damage the shoes. He tossed the shoes up in the air at the little thuglet and then shot under the shoes. When the shoes fell in front of him, he had to stop shooting. By the time the shoes fell low enough so he could shoot over them, the thuglet had already started to fall forward and dropped his gun. If you shoot a guy on top of his head because he was falling forward and unarmed (gun was dropped), then you open yourself up to a liberal armchair quarterback DA who will put you behind bars for life.

One shot was all he could pull off legally without damaging the shoes. If some thuglet was willing to risk his life for those shoes, then they must've been doggone good shoes. You don't wanna put a bullet hole in dat.

Besides, one shot was all it took to stop the threat. Shot placement is king, not caliber nor quantity of shots fired.

I figure the only mistake the CHL made was only shooting once.

You jokingly say that, but when it comes down to the GJ and appearance of self defense, one of the things that always comes out is 'Why did he shoot so many times'. In this case, the other robbers ran, so there was no threat from them. And, apparently the one shot stopped the threat, so no additional rounds were needed. This should be pretty clean unless there is something we are not hearing about.

My muscle memory in stress situations is Double Tap. Second round is out less than one second after the first. Most people will barely begin to react that fast unless you have hit the brain stem.

[jimlongley]

The real culprit here is the shoe manufacturer. By not giving the shoes to disadvantaged kids they left this poor child with no alternative. I know they are in business to make a profit but they could do so by charging those who can afford the shoes a much higher rate in order to subsidize the free shoes program.
I think the family of the victim (dead child) should sue.

And I think the shoe manufacturer should beat them to the punch by offering the family a pair to bury him in.

[baldeagle]

Ooohhhh, I see an advertising slogan; "Shoes worth dying for". Or "People are dying to get our shoes"

[bigity]

That's horrible but I laughed anyway :D

Ok it's not that horrible.

[VMI77]

I read in another form that the robber was the victim in this and not the person being robbed it's funny how the news started in one direction and has turned the other way. I wish journalists would do a little research before posting something or not let their political views sway their description of what happened. I just wish the news was the news

There are no longer any journalists or journalism....just mouthpieces for government and corporate interests.